1. Was this a good adventure film? Was it too conventional? Or did it have original ingredients well presented?
2. How typical an adventure film of the fifties was this? Would it have been made differently now? In what way?
3. The importance of the mountain locations for the film's success? Peru, the style of the mountains and ruins for the Inca atmosphere? The value of the introduction?
4. The film as an adventure quest? The reality of greed? What attitude towards good and bad did the film show? its mixture in each of the characters? Did this make it seem real rather then just comic strip heroism?
6. Was Harry Steele a good hero? Charlton Heston style? As bad and on the make? Audience sympathy for him? His self-resources and vanity? His using of Elana at of the Romanian consul? The clashes with Morgan? What affected his change? The influence of Elana? His quest for the golden wealth and his change?
8. How interesting a character was Doctor Morehead? Was he a credible archeologist? The film's interest in showing what he was doing and its value? Drama-wise as a balance to Harrry Steele? Different character? As a rival for the affections of Elana? The credibility of his proposing to her? Her final rejecting of him? Why? What values did he stand for?
9. Morgan a convincing villain? His age and weight? His greed and the quest for gold? The importance of the mirror theme: as his being a mirror of what Harry Steele would be like? The influence of this mirror theme on Harry's behaviour? The melodramatics of his death?
10. How well did the film give the atmosphere of Cusco? The visitors, the planes, the thin air, the seedy atmoophere, the university where Incan was learnt?
11. How did this contrast with the jungle and the mountains, the village and the ruins?
12. How well did the film portray the Inca background? the quest for the sunburst for the Incas themselves? The importance of songs and the Inca dances? The legends? The association of the sunburst with civilizations and their being lost?
13. What values did the film presuppose in its audience? The audience response to such adventurea? Did it satisfy audience expectation?
Not so fast, Mr. Malone -- if that is your name -- we're not done here yet.
14. Would excessive female nudity have helped the narrative?
15. Given a choice between Nicole Maurey and Yma Sumac, who would you rather see naked, lathered in soap and then oiled up in that stone tub?
16. Would an attack by aliens bent on vaporizing Machu Picchu, with lots of spaceships and death rays and stuff, have been really cool, or too nuanced for a 1954 audience?
17. How do you explain Harry Steele having come into possession of the hat of Harrison Ford, then a 12-year-old kid named after a President and a convertible? Is this the real reason he fled America -- that he was the notorious "Stetson Bandido" who terrorized West Coast men's haberdasheries in the early 50s?
18. On average, how many kilos of Milky Ways did Ed Morgan eat in a week?
19. Stanley Moorehead was an educated, handsome American male in his late 40s, well-versed in topics as dull as he was and with his teeth stained with just enough yellow from too much pipe smoking to allow him to be taken for an intellectual. Yet he was still unmarried and from the evidence so virginal he didn't know what to urinate with. So was his out-of-nowhere proposal to Elena simply a way of obtaining a "beard" when he went off on his grave-robbing expeditions, or did he just want his colleagues to stop calling him "Swish" at the faculty pool parties?
20. I forgot what went here, but it was a real killer, let me tell you.
21. Would this whole movie have been better if they had transposed the action to turn-of-the-century Egypt and had them stealing treasure...oh, wait, that was Valley of the Kings.
22. How would the plot have been affected if, rather than flying in on a private plane, an aircraft Harry could, and indeed did, pilot while half in the bag, Marco had violated standard Romanian Embassy protocol and instead arrived in a 1935-model one-seater auto-gyro?
23. Speaking of what-ifs, what is your opinion of the likely outcome of the battle of Quecaxuhuatluatlxchu if the Incas had had the atomic bomb when the Spanish arrived? Give specifics.
24. Taking a page from Mr. Byrne, who asked what values Professor Moorehead stood for, what in your opinion did his intended, Elena, stand for? Please note that the answer, "Plenty", has already been used.
25. What do you think of the urban legend that, after being pummeled and robbed of his means of a livelihood by Harry Steele, "Man With Rifle" subsequently fled to Europe, where he eked out a spaghetti-splattered existence as the thinly-disguised "Man With No Name" before finally rechristening himself "The Jackal" and just missing Charles de Gaulle? Was he involved in framing Lee Harvey Oswald for that Kennedy business, do you think?
26. Was Yma Sumac in reality the illegitimate daughter of Albert Camus, desperately seeking refuge from a father who constantly pressured her into thinking too much and insisted on calling her Amy? Just how many quarts of gasoline would she have to consume daily to maintain that eight-octane voice of hers? (What?... Oh, really?... What's an 'octave'?... Okay, okay, Jesus!...) Um, you can skip that last one.
27. Who would Harry Steele have needed to been drunker to have sex with: Mrs. or Mr. Winston? Be explicit.
28. Which of the following do you consider to be the most crucial dramatic sequence in the film? (a) The chariot race. (b) Escaping from the country estate when it's overrun by triffids. (c) Inquiring of Rhett Butler his views on the impending Civil War. (d) Trapping the anti-Semitic Army sergeant while investigating the killing of the Jewish civilian.
15. Thats a hard choice, hob, if you catch my drift.
16. Apparently aliens did visit Machu Picchu in the 40's/50's, so it would have been reasonable to show them in SOTI.
17. Actually it was Ronnie Reagan's fedora, not that snotty little pimply brat Harrison Ford.
18. As much as his mule could carry!
19. Stanley Moorhead was a virgin on the ridiculous with that naff proposal, of that we are all in agreement.
20. Just keep taking the tablets, hob.
21. I wish Big Chuck had been in "Valley Of The Kings," but then again he would have been confused after seeing Leon Askin turn up again.
22. That's just "plane" ridiculous, hob!
23. There would have been another Spanish Inquisition.
24. Elena Antonescu stood for nothing, she preferred lying down a lot more!
25. The Man with Rifle in SOTI was more like "The Jackass" than "The Jackal." I'm positive that when Lee Harvey Oswald watched SOTI the week before he shot Kennedy that he learned a great deal after watching that scene. Number one priority - get the hell out of there as soon as you've shot the guy!
26. Yma Sumac was actually the half-sister to Ethel Merman, hob.
27. Definetely Mr. Winston.
28. What film is [d] hob?
29. Trump is a wonderful specimin of American manhood, that speaks his mind on a number of subjects and will surely be your next POTUS, hob. Are you excited?
30. Yes, who the hell is Peter Malone, and where is the supposed website. I can't find it!
The internet is for lonely people. People should live. Charlton Heston
Can you get off the fence and give us a definite answer, Os?
15. Thats a hard choice, hob, if you catch my drift.
That reply carries a term of penal servitude.
16. Apparently aliens did visit Machu Picchu in the 40's/50's, so it would have been reasonable to show them in SOTI.
We could call it ¡El día de la independéncia¡ to add that all-imprtant note of authenticity. Yeah, but the aliens would probably all look like Leon Askin.
17. Actually it was Ronnie Reagan's fedora, not that snotty little pimply brat Harrison Ford.
Reagan, Ford, Harrison, this film is lousy with presidents' hats. Heston played a president. Ford played a kick-ass president. But it was William Holden who was in Fedora.
18. As much as his mule could carry!
A mule? Oops. Guess those weren't Milky Ways after all.
19. Stanley Moorhead was a virgin on the ridiculous with that naff proposal, of that we are all in agreement.
Well, Stanley didn't agree. But his career was finished pretty soon anyway once he got caught in the men's room at M.P. using a mummy for toilet paper and an eight-year-old Inca as his "water boy".
20. Just keep taking the tablets, hob.
You mean those ones Chuck brought down from Sinai?
21. I wish Big Chuck had been in "Valley Of The Kings," but then again he would have been confused after seeing Leon Askin turn up again.
Not half as confused as when Leon demanded his plane back in 1900. But as you say....
22. That's just "plane" ridiculous, hob!
Yeah, I guess so. I got that gyro idea while eating at a Greek restaurant.
23. There would have been another Spanish Inquisition.
Yes, the Spanish are a very inquisitive people, which is probably why they stick an upside-down question mark at the beginning of a question as well as a regular one at the end. ¿Dónde está nuestros bomba atómica, amigo?
24. Elena Antonescu stood for nothing, she preferred lying down a lot more!
You'd better hope James doesn't read his own thread, Os! NM is a lady pal of his, you know. But it's true, I saw Elena's bedroom, and she had quite a spread.
25. The Man with Rifle in SOTI was more like "The Jackass" than "The Jackal." I'm positive that when Lee Harvey Oswald watched SOTI the week before he shot Kennedy that he learned a great deal after watching that scene. Number one priority - get the hell out of there as soon as you've shot the guy!
Aha! So, those clowns over on JFK have finally brow-beaten you into joining the ranks of the Kennedy conspiracy crowd!
26. Yma Sumac was actually the half-sister to Ethel Merman, hob.
Which half? One of those horse acts?
27. Definetely Mr. Winston.
Ah, but what if Mr. Winston had his own plane, and for a small service...?
28. What film is [d] hob?
Egads, a serious Q! [d] is Crossfire (1947), known as the movie with "the three Bobs" -- Robert Young, Robert Mitchum and Robert Ryan. Ryan is the racist psycho Sergeant who kills out of hate, Mitchum a fellow Army officer who helps the police inspector on the case, Young, trap the guy. Actually an excellent film, nominated for several Oscars including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Supporting Actor, Ryan. Chosen because of its prominence and the relative dearth of memorable RY films to choose from.
29. Trump is a wonderful specimin of American manhood, that speaks his mind on a number of subjects and will surely be your next POTUS, hob. Are you excited?
I am ecstatic. I'm moving to Australia as soon as he's sworn in, so when he starts that nuclear war I get an extra two years before radiation from the Northern Hemisphere drifts down to the Southern. I knew reading "On the Beach" would come in useful some day.
30. Yes, who the hell is Peter Malone, and where is the supposed website. I can't find it!
Find it? Do you really want to find it, Os? I need no outsider for matters SOTI when I have James for a guide. Even in a vacuum (not knowing specifically to what statements James was referring in his OP), his questions demonstrate the superficiality of Mr. Malone's musings -- and the depth of James's knowledge.
This is really weird. Last night I spent over three hours reading some of the correspondence from these SOTI boards that I have filed away and decided to have a quick gander at these boards this morning. It was such a nice surprise to find that hob and Os are in circulation again. Happy New Year to both of you.
Peter Malone is a Roman Catholic film reviewer and historian from Australia. He has written books on Christianity and THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Here is his website - http://petermalone.misacor.org.au/tiki-index.php.
Hiya Jimbo, HNY! Is that book by Malone actually about the Heston movie, or just about the commandments?
And a question for hob, our on the spot political reporter in the U.S. Is there any possibility at all that the clown with the walnut whip haircut could possibly wind up as President?
How come he is leading the Republican race in American? he's a total moron!
The internet is for lonely people. People should live. Charlton Heston
I cancel my question to Byrne in the previous post. Just googled the book by Malone and it sounds really good. Here's what the review says.
"A fresh take on the Ten Commandments-through the lens of popular movies! Enliven your study of the Christian faith by discovering movies as a moral laboratory. In this volume of Lights, Camera ? Faith!, Rose Pacatte, FSP, and Peter Malone, MSC, offer an exciting approach to adult faith formation by creating a dialogue between Scripture, the Ten Commandments, and film. By exploring the drama of the moral life through movies, Lights, Camera ? Faith! The Ten Commandments grapples with the reality of temptation, choices, motivation, consequences, and the faith-filled and informed Christian response to life's situations. Three movies are offered for each commandment, providing material for different viewers: a film appropriate for a general adult audience, a film with themes calling for more in-depth discussion, and a film that treats more difficult issues. With fresh insight into God's covenant of love, this is a valuable resource for catechetical leaders, adult faith-formation programs, parish discussion groups, young adult groups, film educators and professionals-and anyone who appreciates deeper meaning in movies".
The internet is for lonely people. People should live. Charlton Heston
I read your other post with the entry about Mr. Malone, Os, and think I'll skip him.
On more Earthly matters, there is only a very remote chance Trump could actually become President. Despite his continuing lead in the race for the Republican nomination, his overall approval ratings are low. If he were to become the nominee, there is absolutely no indication he could win any of the states Obama carried in 2012, which in itself would be enough to doom him. But he would probably lose some Romney states as well. Republicans are terrified that he'll become the nominee, fearing he'd lose so badly he'd drag the party down at all levels, costing them down-ballot races for Senate and House seats, governorships, and so forth. I'm not so sure Trump would run as disastrously at the polls as some think, but he'd be an almost certain loser against Hillary.
But while Trump leads strongly nationwide among Republicans -- not among most voters -- as well as in most early-voting primary states (except Iowa) and has weathered numerous crises that might have destroyed other candidates, I'm far from convinced he'll be the nominee. It depends if he can get his supporters to the polls, and while his rallies are huge it's not clear if all these people will actually turn out to vote, particularly in caucuses. We'll see. The Republican establishment wants to derail him but their problem is, with who? The next-strongest candidate is Ted Cruz, the Texas Senator of few qualifications, highly disliked, even hated, by his fellow senators, and politically a right-wing extremist of narrow support. He'd be an even more sure-fire loser than Trump. Jeb Bush is DOA (to bring a rival movie into it); Chris Christie of New Jersey has nothing going on outside of New Hampshire and is too dirty and with too poor a record in NJ to be a successful candidate; and the rest are all going no place...except Marco Rubio, the junior Senator from Florida, who in my opinion may be the likeliest Rep nominee if he can do well enough to outlast the other non-Trump or -Cruz voters. Rubio hasn't much of a record and is not qualified for President, but then that's true of most of the candidates in the Republican field. (The best-qualified, like Bush, Governor Kasich of Ohio, or Senator Graham of South Carolina, have gone nowhere -- except Graham, who's gone out of the race.) But he's pretty adept politically and as a fresh face might have an advantage in the race, especially if he chose Kasich as his running mate for Vice President -- if they could carry their home states of Florida and Ohio they'd go a long way to winning the race.
Bottom line: in my view the Rep nominee will be either Trump, Cruz or Rubio. I'd be surprised if any other alternative arose, but you never know. But I do have a hard time imagining Trump as the nominee, despite the fact that if any other candidate had his numbers for the past six months, we'd all be anointing him as the nominee. More than with most candidates, his big test will be translating his vocal supporters into actual votes. All candidates have this task, of course, but there's a big question how really prepared, how well organized, Trump is to accomplish this.
By the way, here's a fascinating fact. You know that American campaigns raise obscene amounts of money. Far and away the leader in spending among Republicans so far is Jeb Bush, with over $41,000,000 spent (and over $100,000,000 raised). For that, he's at about 3% in the polls. Trump, a billionaire, has spent $221,000 on radio, period -- 0.02% of all the money raised on the Republican side. He's at 41%. Money is never a guarantor of success, but these numbers are quite astonishing and another indication that this is a very odd year. (By the way, as I write this I hear that another Rep candidate is dropping out -- George Pataki, former three-term Governor of New York. That would seem to be a hefty qualification, but he's been out of office nearly nine years and is too moderate for the hard-right GOP primary electorate. He's been hovering at near 0% in the polls -- hardly measurable. He never had any supporters or any chance, so you have to wonder why he and some others in the same spot [Dems too] insisted on making fools of themselves by running. It's reported he'll be calling his supporters in Iowa and New Hampshire tonight to let them know. I guess two phone calls won't hurt him financially. I nearly spilled a gin-and-tonic on him at a reception in Albany, the state capital, in 1998, and have now kept intact the campaign truism that the candidate whom I come closest to spilling my drink on always loses the presidential race.)
Not to go into details at this time, but you do know that it's not popular votes that elect a President but electoral votes. Each state has a number of e.v.'s equal to its representation in Congress -- the number of its U.S. Representatives, which vary by each state's population (with each state guaranteed at least one Representative), plus its two Senators (each state has two Senators). Thus, my state, New York, with 27 Representatives plus its two Senators, has 29 electoral votes. There's a total of 538, meaning you need 270 -- which constitutes a 1-vote majority -- to win. At this time the Democrats have an electoral advantage, that is, the states that usually vote Democratic have a much higher number of e.v.'s than do states that normally vote Republican, though this Dem total is a little shy of 270 -- around 246 or so, depending on how you count the votes. While this is close to 270 it's not quite enough: Gore won 267 and Kerry 252, just short, though Bush's very narrow margins -- the lowest for a winning candidate since 1916 -- demonstrate the heavy Democratic advantage any Republican has to overcome. (And of course, Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, the first time that had happened to a winning candidate since 1888. I won't even go into the biased Supreme Court decision by five Republican justices that gave him the presidency!)
Anyway, the point is that as a practical matter it's harder these days for Republicans to hit the 270 threshold than Democrats, and it's hard to see which states Trump could switch in sufficient numbers to put him across; this apart from having to worry about holding some of the more marginal Republican states. Cruz would be just as weak. But Rubio could be another story.
Are you sorry you asked, Os?!
By the way, I've had a Walnut Whip whilst in Britannia. DT's head does indeed resemble the top of one, I admit, which may explain why I don't like that confectionery, unknown here in the States...at any rate, at least until Trump takes office. (And by "DTs", Os, I make no reference to any side effects attributable to Messrs. Brahms and Liszt!)
I'm actually pleased I asked you hob ... very interesting indeed. In this country we can't believe that Trump is actually leading in the polls, but nobody thinks he will be elected Prez. It's a horrifying thought, isn't it?
I'm gonna have a bet on Rubio being the Republican nominee but that he will lose to Clinton in the big one.
Just had a disgusting thought, if Hillary wins, it will be the first time in history that two POTUS have had sex with each other!
The internet is for lonely people. People should live. Charlton Heston
hob, yes I do get email notifications, but I haven't been near a computer for a few days now ... the Christmas rush at work has been hectic, and the library is closed over the holidays (I still haven't got a home computer!)
I doubt Peter Malone has visited this tiny little island, hob, it's just that I googled something to do with SECRET OF THE INCAS and got quite excited when " Peter Malone's website on SECRET OF THE INCAS" popped up. I just thought it would be interesting to read some of the answers to Malone's questions from the regulars (all three of us!)
By the way, I have dug up three more of the SOTI cast just recently ... just bit players really.
hob and Os, regarding Trump's hair-do, it looks more like Candy Floss than a Walnut Whip!
hob, I really enjoyed your reply concerning the next Presidential Election, great stuff!
I may be treating my daughter to a trip to New York in February 2017 - a 40th birthday surprise from her papa. We will have to meet up for a couple of hours, hob. I'm going to Colombia, South America, in August for my nephews wedding, but I wish he had met a Peruvian instead of a Colombian girl.
I wouldn't call Malone's few questions on SOTI a "website" James.
Now I'm glad I never clicked the link. Thanks, Os.
I just posted a reply to JB and wished him an HNY, and immediately I posted saw he'd replied to you 23 seconds earlier! At 7:30 AM?!
Anyway, as I wished him, so I wish you, but in a different color:
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
And, what the hell, I threw in an extra exclamation point.
Since you guys are five hours ahead of me, be sure to post between midnight and 5:00 AM tonight your time to tell me if there's anything I need to do to prepare for life in the future.
James, I'll be here and waiting, 14 months from now. What date is your daughter's birthday? Mine's in February too -- right at the start, February 1. Me, Clark Gable and John Ford.
It's also really curious about your going to Colombia -- my cousin married a former Miss Colombia, about 40 years ago. Her family lives in the city of Bucaramanga, which is getting close to Inca territory. Well, not far.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
PS: Glad you liked my political ravings, and thank you for the nice words. More are sure to come...albeit in varying degrees of niceness!
hob, both my daughters were born on 15 February (Sam Kydd's birthday!) but a year seperates them.
My nephew and his Colombian partner live in London with their three children. They have chosen Colombia as their wedding venue so her aged mother can attend.
I'm really looking forward to seeing you in 14 months time, hob, should be a hoot.