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This is NOT film noir! Spoilers!! IMDB shouldn't list as Film Noir


I see IMDB has rated "Pickup on South Street" as one of the greatest Film Noir movies. Hello? This movie doesn't even qualify as Film Noir! Yes, the first 60 or 70 minutes were great, but the ending was really cheesy! [Spoiler Alert]. No film that has a happy ending where all the bad guys are sent to jail and our hero and heroine dance joyfully off into Happily Ever After land can really be considered Film Noir. I did NOT like the ending. It felt like pandering to the American Demographic that has to have happy endings in all their movies. It felt trite and cheap after a spectacular beginning to the film. Am I right, or am I just being too picky?

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I have to agree with the OP in that this isn't film noir, but it's one helluva good movie IMHO. The ending leaves a question in my mind: Why does Skip mae his final decision? Has his feelings of friendship and love for Mo and for the girl overrule his nature. Have the FBI guys stirred patiotic feelings? Or is it just a decent inner nature that guides him? Leaving us with this question and seeing him rewarded for his decision justifies the unnoirish ending for me. Besides, hey, it's nice to see a happy ending once in a while. LOL


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I think if Skip had his druthers, he would've gotten his 25 grand AND made off with the girl. But he saw that wasn't possible, so he went for the girl. Great movie, and I think it does indeed fall under the category of film noir - Skip is pretty amoral to the end.

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This is definitely Film Noir.

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So EVERY noir has to have the same ending? THAT'S ridiculous.

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of course this is a film noir!



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By the OP's standard certain very well kown noirs aren't noirs. Noir is a stylistic category that encompasses drama, romance, thriller, action and of course the hardboiled detective stories which predominate.
'Johnnny Belinda' has noir qualities, bt it's about a deaf mute girl who is raped.
Mildred Pierce is the mostly domestic story about a pie shop owner (!) and her awful daughter.
Clash by Night with Barbara Stanwyck is a drama in which, the prodigal daughter returns home in shame at the START of the movie.
'The Damned don't Cry' is a crime dram in which the prodigal daughter becomes a gun moll, then returns home in shame at the END of the movie.
'In a Lonely Place' is about a guy's social problems (Bogart) caused by his anger.


The defintion is easy enough to find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir

Though noir is often associated with an urban setting, for example, many classic noirs take place mainly in small towns, suburbia, rural areas, or on the open road, so setting can not be its genre determinant, as with the Western. Similarly, while the private eye and the femme fatale are character types conventionally identified with noir, the majority of film noirs feature neither, so there is no character basis for genre designation as with the gangster film. Nor does it rely on anything as evident as the monstrous or supernatural elements of the horror film, the speculative leaps of the science fiction film, or the song-and-dance routines of the musical.

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Keep in mind our hero ain't exactly on the right side of the law

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The Dark Corner, one of my favorite film noirs, has a happily ever after ending, but you couldn't possibly not call it film noir. The shot of Mark Stevens peering through the venetian blinds shows up all the time in film noir articles and books.

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I'm sort of a purist about Noir and see your point. I don't like humor, unless of the sardonic type; don't like cheesy happy endings, either, prefering bittersweet ones, like in "Out of the Past". I think the fact that Commies were involved necessitated the cheesy happy ending.

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Crime drama; hardboiled, cynical undertone; dark, dramatic lighting; snappy dialogue...this movie is totally film noir.

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I agree with you, just agree, too, that it had a cheesy, slapped-on ending.

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I don't think the ending was cheesy or that he gave up crime. that's just what they told the police as they were leaving the building. And I don't believe it is implied that their relationship is necessarily serious.Maybe just a fling. she did say she "knocks around a lot."

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