Shane ripoff?


There are a lot of similarities to the movie "Shane," which came out first and, at least to me, seems more notable and famous. Am I crazy for saying this, or did they try to capitalize on Shane's success with this movie?

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Not at all. "Shane" is a force for good that takes action only when the farmers stand up to the ranchers. After Alan Ladd kills Jack Palance, he leaves, as he is no longer needed. The most similar western to this I have seen is "Warlock" (1959)

On the other hand, the theme of "Hondo," is isolation. Hondo has cut himself off from close relationships with others. "Sam" the dog that that travels with him "doesn't belong" to Hondo and Hondo "doesn't pet him". The turning point in "Hondo" is Vittorio, the Apache Chief, returning the wounded Hondo to the Lowe Farm. Had Mrs.Lowe, not lied to Vittorio, Hondo would have been killed by the Apaches. Thus, in that instant, Hondo's path to reintegration into society was sealed, which is also symbolized by the murder of Sam by Vittorio's rival chief. The most similar western to this I have seen is "The Outlaw Josey Wales" (1976).

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With all due respect to Bob-45's analysis I DID always think that Hondo was an extremely similiar movie to Shane (I think today they call it derivative) and that both were EXCELLENT movies, 2 of my favorite westerns ever.

Another 2 Fantastic westerns of the 50s were High Noon and 3:10 to Yuma. But to me, they were very different movies although both explored a supreme test of courage and shared a background of a train. I always thought 3:10 to Yuma was very underrrated, perhaps due to its similarity to High Noon. The difference here is that Dan Evans of 3:10 was a rancher, not a lawman or a gunfighter, who was drawn into his situation by circumstances while Will Kane was a lawman by trade whiose personal past comes back to haunt him.

I would recommend all 4 movies to any younger people who have an interest in westerns and happen to have not seen them

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"Hondo" and "Shane" were in production simultaneously, and their similarity is coincidental. Both are excellent movies.

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This is superior to Shane. Alan Ladd was a lightweight next to Wayne. This is one of Wayne's most overlooked great films. I never could understand the appeal of Shane. Ladd just wasn't very good in anything and had NO screen presence.

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I totally agree jr! I'd heard about SHANE my whole life and only saw it for the first time about two years ago. I came away wondering what all the fuss was about. I saw HONDO for the first time this week and was blown away. I liked it far more than SHANE. And what you said about The Duke being far superior to Alan Ladd also applies to Geraldine Page being far better than Jean Arthur! And for that matter, I liked the kid in HONDO better, too!

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Shane is poor IMO.I found it boring and the kid very annoying.Hondo has more excitement and The Duke.

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There are a few similarities, but I don't see where the stories are similar at all.

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I don't remember what I thought the first time I saw HONDO (on TV, decades ago), but when I saw HONDO again this past Friday on the big screen (in 3-D) at the Museum of Modern Art, I immediately thought of SHANE because of the boy character looking up to the wandering gunslinger as a father figure and the character of Angie (Geraldine Page) looking and sounding and behaving a lot like Jean Arthur in SHANE. It's as if the screenwriter thought, what if the husband in SHANE had been a bad guy and Shane had killed him.

HONDO came out seven months after SHANE so it's quite possible that there was some thought given to these elements by the makers of HONDO. I find it hard to believe it was purely coincidental. The arguments made in some of the other replies in this thread simply don't wash with me.

In any event, SHANE is a much better movie than HONDO. While I don't consider SHANE a great western or even a great film, it is a glossy, well-crafted Hollywood genre piece, with strong work by all involved (esp. Ladd) and deserves some praise. HONDO, on the other hand, has a most contrived script that had me shaking my head all through it. (E.g., Vittorio's coddling of Hondo, who'd killed several of his men already, throughout the film made no sense to me.) And that whole maneuver with the wagons uncircling at the end baffled the hell out of me. How did taking the wagons out of the circle constitute some kind of victorious strategy for the soldiers and settlers fighting the Indians? Wayne is very good in the film, of course, and truly cements his "John Wayne" image in it, but the film itself is not very good.

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Come on, you can't be serious about Ladd. I've never seen him in anything in which I would call him a "strong actor". First of all, in G. Page "Hondo" has one of the better serious actresses of that era. The Hondo role was, of course, perfect for Wayne while Ladd as usual was overmatched in his role. The boy role in Shane was also way over bearing, while the same role in Hondo was just right in terms of screen time and dialog. "Hondo" may not be one of the greatest westerns but, it was highly entertaining and remains one of Wayne's most over looked films. "Shane" on the other hand, is extremely over hyped and over valued and certainly NOT one of the greatest westerns.

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I have to agree that the tactics used in Hondo seem pointless. But then movie tactics usually don't make much sense. One can just as well ask why movie Apaches are always riding around and getting shot down like crazy while real Apaches were masters of ambushes.

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Hondo was Louis L'Amour's first novel, not a "Shane ripoff". Some movies are from works of literature.

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Louis L'amour's novel Hondo was based on the screenplay by James Edward Grant for the movie Hondo (1953), that was based on Louis L'amour's short story "The gift of Cochise", Collier's Magazine, 1952.

The movie Shane (1953) has the screenplay by A.B. Guthrie, additional dialog by Jack Sher, and is based on the novel Shane (1949) by Jack Schaefer, originally published in Argosy magazine in 1946 under the title"Rider From Nowhere".

Perhaps someone who has read "The Gift of Cochise" and the novel Shane might have an opinion about any influence of one story on the other.

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