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Uncredited actors, and the credits themselves


It's well known that back in the 40s, 50s and 60s most Hollywood movies omitted the names of many actors from the on-screen credits -- often including people who played small parts while omitting others whose roles were fairly big.

The Thing From Another World is no exception. What especially gets me is that it credits Sally Creighton -- an otherwise unknown perfomer -- who plays Mrs. Chapman and has about four lines, while ignoring the well-known character actor who plays her husband, John Dierkes, who as Dr. Chapman is one of the most central characters in the film. Also ignored are many of the other actors who played various doctors, all of whom had much larger roles than Sally Creighton: George Fenneman (Dr. Redding), Paul Frees (Vorhees), Everett Glass (Wilson), among others, as well as Nicholas Byron (Tex) and David McMahon (General Fogarty -- though he was always ignored in cast lists!). Silly, unfair and ridiculous.

I have also long wondered about the altered credits at the beginning. After the RKO logo, the credits seem to become almost letterboxed, stuffed between black areas at top and bottom. This wasn't the way the film originally looked (and I have an old copy to prove it), and seems to have been reconfigured this way sometime in the 1980s. Why would anyone bother to change this? It serves no purpose and looks weird. The picture over which the credits are projected was also slightly elongated to create this re-framed sequence.

Just griping. TTFAW is a superb film and one of my favorites.

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hobnob53 wrote:

Silly, unfair and ridiculous.

I agree. But is it known why this occurred? Was it studio politics of some kind? Disputes with actors' agencies? Did some performers fail to bribe the right people?

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I don't know for sure. It may be that named performers had to be paid more. (I don't know that this was the case, but money is ultimatrely at the back of everything, isn't it?) But this Hollywood practice was not followed in Britain during the same period, where for the most part all the actors (or at least nearly all) were listed in the after-film credits.

Another oddity is that often the studios would list someone -- usually a starlet whose career they were trying to boost -- in a film in which she had almost no lines or screen time, just to get her exposure, while ignoring other actors whose roles were significant and important. For example, the US/UK co-production No Highway in the Sky (1951) listed two women in its cast who had few scenes, virtually no dialogue and played basically unimportant minor characters, while not crediting over half a dozen well-known major actors with large and crucial roles.

However, a funny (and absurd) instance of this is in the closing credits of It Came From Outer Space in 1953, one of the very few films of the time that listed all the credits at the end of the film instead of at the beginning. While as usual ignoring some established actors in supporting parts, the closing credits there not only named the main actors but showed them, using scenes from the film. But the last person shown was a Universal starlet named Kathleen Hughes, who had a very brief, single scene at the sheriff's office with just a couple of lines, playing Russell Johnson's girlfriend. First of all, her role was smaller than almost every other actor in the film, yet she was credited while others weren't. But second, instead of showing her in her one scene in the movie, they showed her in extraneous footage wearing a low-cut evening dress, thrusting her breasts toward the camera, while the music swelled to make her seem some sort of major star. The effect was both hilarious and utterly idiotic. At least The Thing didn't do that with Mrs. Chapman!

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Great story! I wonder how long Ms. Hughes (and those promoting her) maintained hope that the low-cut-gown-credit (!) would be effective.

But as you say: yes, no doubt money is behind the inconsistencies in credits in one way or another.

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For fun, I went over and checked her site here. Somewhat to my surprise, Ms. Hughes had a fairly long career, in movies until the mid-50s, then almost entirely on TV (with a couple of odd, minor films thrown in), guesting on many shows through the end of the 70s, with a couple of appearances each in the 80s and 90s. She'll turn 83 on Nov. 14. But somehow, while I doubt the evening-gown shot had much to do with prolonging her career, it has conferred on her a kind of camp immortality. Despite her almost invisible and irrelevant role, she's still remembered for It Came From Outer Space, probably because of that absurd credit sequence.

In that, she did better than Sally Creighton!

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Philip Carey was an actor who was in mainly westerns, even landing a part in an old tv series "Laredo". He's not credited, and I don't even know if he's even in the movie, but in the opening sequence where Scotty walks into the base Officer's Club, a man playing poker and smoking a cigar turns to look at him. That guy looks an awful lot like Carey, but I've never been able to find out if it was really him.

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Phil Carey was a good, reliable actor. I don't think he was in The Thing but I'd have to look at that opening scene again. I never particularly noticed the actor you speak of. Carey began his film career in 1951 at Warner Bros. and TTFAW was an RKO picture, but it's possible he played a bit elsewhere before going under contract at Warner.

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In the early days much of the onscreen credits were influenced by the Studio System executives and high-power agents. Then the rise of the actor's unions, powerful agencies, and independant films; things got more complicated. Also actors did not get any repetative residuals (originally based on screen credits) until the mid 60's. After that residuals and contracts got finally more beneficial for performers and big stars alike. All of this has influenced the screen credit role length and who gets finaly screen credit in today's film. Also, it's producer's or director's choice/whim for a screen credit. They vary wildly now and make the film credits as un-ending it feels. Caterer, generator truck driver, honey wagon cleaner, wrangler, armorer, and focus puller. Unending ??!! Not to me, because I always look to see if my many friends on cast or crews or my comrade actor's are in what film.
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