How Ironic


MGM is the one who got Garland addicted to drugs and made a mess of her...then dropped her because of it, refusing to accept their responsibility for causing the problem in the first place.

How odd that Mickey Rooney seemed to survive while Judy didn't. It doesn't seem quite fair >:(

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How ironic that YOU survived to write such a vile comment. (Somehow that isn't fair.) I could deal with the "MGM" portion; but to go on and imply, say, or suggest that Mickey Rooney was without talent and should have died in her stead is obscene. Rethink your comments, you are obviously too "quick at the draw."

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Collegeofuse is right about the first thing he said about it not being Judy's fault because they made her take those addictive pills every day and then eventually fire her for it. But I agree with johnrupertg about the second comment with Mickey Rooney being out of line. It was unnecessary to add that second remark.

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Maybe Mickey Rooney said "no" to drugs. If Judy Garland doped herself - it's her own fault - not MGM's.

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If Judy Garland doped herself - it's her own fault - not MGM's.

It's not that black and white. Judy certainly bears some responsibility for her plight, but she seemed to be unable to help herself.

It's important to note that Judy never did "recreational" drugs. Her addictions were to uppers, downers, and possibly alcohol. MGM DID start her on the road to addiction: uppers, downers, and amphetamines (for diet), which in themselves were uppers.

Since these things were doctor prescribed, Judy didn't feel she was doing anything wrong: These were her "medication."

Certainly these things were commonly used in Hollywood to get people through their rigorous daily routines, and the long term effects were unknown.

If something makes you function better, you're going to want to use it. She needed the pep to work. She needed something to come down from the uppers so she could sleep. And, of course, there were the diet pills.

And, since the drugs were common, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Judy sought the drugs out herself, when she felt the need for them, from well-meaning friends and colleagues.

But, to paint her (as some people do) as a drug addict, in some back alley, sticking a needle into her arm, is wrong. That's not the way it was.

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What an utter load of dribble. By almost every account I've ever heard of, the pills were basically forced upon here - she and her mother were both lied to by the MGM appointed and paid for physician - and by the time her dependency was starting to cause problems, there was only so much she could do to stop it. Plus, it wasn't just the medicating, it was the disgusting way in which MGM staff mismanaged Judy's self-esteem. It's no wonder she ended up a mess! Can you imagine for even a second that you are a girl in your late teens appearing in movies where you're called an ugly duckling? Please, try and imagine that, and then when these same people start giving you pills so that you can slave away to make them millionaires and more pills that they tell you will make you more attractive, you don't think it's entirely understandable - and at no time Judy's fault - that she got addicted.

Your last statement is pretty good, but everything else you said suggests to me that you really don't know an awful lot about Judy Garland's life, or are too stupid to adequately interpret it. You don't seem to understand addiction or drug dependency, and as I've said you made absolutely no mention of the multitude of other ways in which the studio was manipulating Judy and the toll that may have taken on her.

Get with it!

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What an utter load of dribble.

I sincerely tried to give a fair and balanced assessment of the situation.

But, you seem to be part of the "Judy can do no wrong contingent ," who is not open to reason, so I won't waste my time with you.

everything else you said suggests to me that you really don't know an awful lot about Judy Garland's life, or are too stupid to adequately interpret it.


I've forgotten more about Garland than you will ever know. And, the only stupid one here is you.

Learn how to disagree without being disagreeable, jerk.

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you seem to be part of the "Judy can do no wrong contingent ,"
No. Just no. But you, sir, are not facing facts about this issue. As I said, I really don't think you understand the nature of addictive substances, at all. You seemed to place some blame on Judy for it, and I really don't think that's fair. By the time one has that kind of dependency, one is largely quite powerless - especially when their environment never changes much to support and accommodate their needs. Judy needed serious help, and she never really got it.

I certainly don't think she could do no wrong though. At times, it seemed to me, she was a hugely neglectful parent.

I stand by my summation of your character though. I've witnessed it numerous times. You're one of those know-it-all folk who know f* all really.

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The studio did play a part in her problems with addiction (as did her mother) but it is entirely possible that Garland bears some responsibility. She never broke her addiction to pills even after she was no longer working for the studio. I wonder how many other stars of the era were subjected to the same treatment yet managed to not let it control their lives.

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I wonder how many other stars of the era were subjected to the same treatment yet managed to not let it control their lives.

That question has been raised before regarding Judy's addictions.

I guess it's like anything else: Some people can seem to eat anything without gaining weight. Others are careful what they eat and remain overweight.

Some people can seem to drink to excess and not be plastered. Others can't tolerate one drink.

Judy's system apparently couldn't handle the uppers and downers, while others could. And, she apparently lacked the physical and mental fortitude to conquer her problems. I'm not judging her. I'm just saying that's the way it was.

It's in our makeup, our genes, I guess.

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Judy's system apparently couldn't handle the uppers and downers, while others could. And, she apparently lacked the physical and mental fortitude to conquer her problems. I'm not judging her. I'm just saying that's the way it was.
See this is what I'm talking about. You haven't taken your head out of your own sphincter long enough to examine the whole picture. You're looking at one detail and claiming that Judy's "system couldn't handle" it, and "others could". That's *beep* Most of the MGM stars who used these kinds of medications developed dependencies. But as I said previously - the studio was, in conjunction with the pills, totally mis-managing Judy's self-esteem. It is well documented that she was made to feel fat, ugly and useless. Even the support of those closest to her, like Rooney, Edens and Freed, etc. were not enough to keep her from emotional and mental destruction and exhaustion. In that kind of environment, she became a nervous wreck, and began abusing the pills more drastically than her fellow plays who - shock horror - were NOT subject to the same kinds of mind games and manipulation about their own sense of self and image that Judy was.

Again, if you knew the first thing about Judy Garland and/or addiction, this different would probably be clear to you.

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I repeat, you don't know how to disagree without being disagreeable.

Go suck your thumb -- or something!

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Gubbio says > It's in our makeup, our genes, I guess.
I agree with you. Things like drugs, food, stress, etc. may affect us differently due to our physical and mental differences. What some people can handle easily can be a struggle for others.

Knowing this is one really good reason to NOT use drugs or anything else that can be addictive. It's also important for us to know ourselves; our strengths and weaknesses, so we can learn to manage stress in productive ways; ways that work for us.

Differences in makeup, however, do not absolve us of all responsibility for what happens to us. Life is difficult and the things we have to do don't always come naturally or easily. We have to expect difficulties along the way and can't just give up trying or blame others when things go wrong.

In Judy's case, and others like her, having a specific talent may be to blame. Talent is, of course, a blessing but if there's an imbalance; meaning other skills are not also developed along the way, there can, and probably will, be problems.

Judy Garland is hardly the only or first person in the entertainment industry to experience these issues. Some turned to alcohol, to other drugs, and/or they took on other equally destructive behaviors but the results were the same. It's just unfortunate the ones who came later failed to learn the lesson from earlier similar tragedies.

In my opinion it's silly to argue over who was to blame for what happened to Judy. Clearly many people played a role but it's not so much who's at fault or to blame that should be discussed but who's responsible. Blame anyone you like but ultimately responsibility always rests with the person in the midst of the issue. The people around that person may have the best or worse intentions but there can be no real healing until the person with the problem decides they've had enough.


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I agree also. Judy did absolutely nothing wrong. MGM and Judy's mother started her on all of the pills which started the chain reaction of her drug addiction problem for the rest of her life. When she was given the pills at MGM, the only info she was educated with at the time was "this is your prescribed medication to help you" and even ",this is part of your MGM contract, like your diet". I'm sorry but the pills and the diet they put her on, not only did they not give her much choice, but no one educated her about the addiction dangers. None of this was Judy's fault, it's very unfair to blame Judy. She was NOT one of those people who was rebellious and deliberately chose a " going down the wrong road" attitude. I do not agree with any comments implying "why wasn't it Mickey Rooney instead" though of course. No one deserves that road in life.

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