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am I the only one that likes the cat?


He spends the entire movie trying to rid the house of those disgusting vermin.

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The Unshaved Mouse seems to agree with you.

http://unshavedmouse.com/2012/10/24/disney-reviews-by-the-unshaved-horse-12-cinderella/

Lucifer is actually a fairly major character, with a large and active role in the story. And he spends most of his time tormenting the mice, so can we even call him a villain?


Intelligence and purity.

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thanks for showing me that article, it made me laugh. XD

I must admit i have a soft spot for cats as I have two cats myself. =)

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I sure can relate, because I have two cats too. Lucifer is really mean though, especially in the scene where he won't give the mice the key, so they could let Cinderella out of her room.

Intelligence and purity.

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That is true, and when he messes up cinderellas work when shes cleaning the floors. In one of the sequels he acts kind because he falls in love. too bad he goes back to being mean. lol

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Cinderella was really close to beating him up with her broomstick, when he messed up the newly cleaned floor! Yeah, Lucifer had shown us that he was a jerk in that scene too...

Intelligence and purity.

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That's why the name Lucifer suits the cat; he's a meanie and a bully towards Cinderella.

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Name not so subtle lol

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I didn't like Lucifer the cat, at all. I was more sympathetic with the mice and the other animals.

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i liked the mice as kids, as a grown up after reading the book "the plague" i cannot stand any vermin.

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I like Lucifer. He's only bad because he was raised by Lady Tremaine lol

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thats actually a great point. ive noticed that a pets personality can be greatly affected depending on the owner. aggressive cats tend to belong to owners that mistreat them, knowingly or unknowingly.

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I love cats. I REALLY do. And I own one myself that is honestly one of my best friends in life. But to be honest -- and I know I'm one of the very few people on Earth who would say this but -- I think mice are amazing animals, as well. I once spent a day handling my friend's mouse -- store-bought (not wild) -- and he was very smart and affectionate, as well as curious -- in all honesty his traits and mannerisms reminded me a lot of those of a cat. Plus both are flexible, fast, limber, good climbers and jumpers, with pink ears, whiskers, similar noses, and long, flexible tails. And mice (and rats) self-groom their fur EXACTLY the same way as cats do, licking their fur that way. And both love to burrow. Both have claws, though only cats' claws are retractable. Of course, since cats are felines you add to all that all the amazing grace, elegance and beauty of a tiger, lion, jaguar, cougar, panther, etc. And of course cats hunt mice out of instinct since they are hunters like the big felines I just mentioned.

But my main point is that mice -- "vermin" as you put it -- are unfairly despised by the masses. People will ridiculously scream their heads off and run away from one as if it's going to chase the person and kill them. Obviously, though, no one should let them stay in a kitchen environment, be it home, restaurant, what have you, because that's unsanitary, but that should apply to many an animal. And there are humane ways of getting them back in the wild rather than killing them one can look up online; they're intelligent animals with feelings and have families. If you were that small and in the cold in seek of food and shelter wouldn't you use it if you found it if you didn't know any better? Back to the kitchen thing, of course they should be removed from there, but I mean would you want to share your same plate of lunch with your cat either -- of course not. Then people say mice come from garbage cans and so on; does that not apply to feral cats, as well, when they seek whatever food they can get? A wild mouse could of course carry a virus, but that would be transmitted by bite (which a mouse by the way would only do to a person in self-defense), and, again, so could a feral cat, such as rabies. People always blame the Plague on rats, but it wasn't the rats themselves that were the agents of the disease, it was the FLEAS that had gotten onto their fur -- try telling me a cat (or dog) could never get fleas on their fur.

Lucifer in CINDERELLA was a cat with a very mean personality toward Cinderella, such as when he intentionally made muddy paw prints all over the floor so that she would have to spend so much more time scrubbing the floor. How can you side with him over the mice who were trying to help Cinderella, like when they made her a dress so that she could go to the royal ball? Although I don't blame him for all the parts where we see Lucifer hunting the mice because that's what cats do (instinctively)! By the way cats also hunt birds, but had that been shown in the movie, I know I would never see a thread saying "I really like Lucifer because all he was doing the entire movie was going out and ridding the property of all those disgusting things with beaks and feathers!" (LOL)

I know I most likely won't change any of your minds and you'll keep using poison and traps if you come across mice and continue to scream and run in terror if you see one, and use this as justification for Lucifer having been the sympathetic character in CINDERELLA instead of the mice just because Lucifer was a cat so he went after them. But I had to say my views and I feel better now.

I will remind you that Walt Disney created Mickey MOUSE in 1928 -- the beloved icon -- without whose existence the Disney franchise never would have taken off the way it did. Also Mickey Mouse's look was influenced by then-famous Felix the Cat that had been in short movies by Fleischer Studios (Disney's only major competitor back then) since 1919. (And Felix the Cat was also very popular all over again from 1959 to 1961 when he had his first TV show.) So this helps support my earlier comparison because part of this was due to a mouse and a cat having similar features anyways. Compare:

Felix the Cat, 1959 (from the TV show):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Felix_the_Cat_Title.jpg
http://cartoonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/FelixCricketLP600.jpg


Mickey Mouse in his debut cartoon, STEAMBOAT WILLIE, 1928:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bf/a5/0d/bfa50d36cf1bb16aa31e5e8c2bd33c54.jpg

Felix the Cat in 1930:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9f/0b/f9/9f0bf93f66e23bc7c4cff5e50828872d.jpg

Felix the Cat balloon at Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City, 1927:
http://nowiknow.com/wp-content/uploads/7-felix-the-cat.jpg

Oh, the irony.







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Nice post!

Yeah, I happen to love cats and I'm the owner of a cat.
But it seems like the writers decided to not give Lucifer even one redeeming quality.
He is the only animal in the whole movie, that is not one of Cinderella's friends.
Which is very telling too, I think.
One poster in this thread brought up a great point though.
He is probably as mean as he is because he's Lady Tremaine's pet and is influenced by her.
Unless he was bad from the beginning and therefore connected with her and not with Cinderella?
We will never know...

It is pretty sad though that so many cats in Golden Age cartoons were cruel antagonists.
Or if not that, they would be the butt of cruel jokes from smaller "cuter" animals.
I simply don't get why the cartoonists back then hated cats to such an unreasonable degree.
They must all have owned dogs, mice or birds...
We got a more positive portrayal of cats though in some later works like "Top Cat" and "Aristocats".
But sadly, they were less popular than dog-centric works like "Pongo & the 101 Dalmations" and "Scooby Doo".
What was up with that?
And that awful "cats are mean" trope lived on at least into the '90s.

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Usually I love cats, but not in this movie.

Usually I HATE mice! But not in this movie.

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In general, I do truly love cats!!!!

With that being said. I for one cannot stand Lucifer. Especially when he tried to get poor Bruno the dog in trouble.
He purposely made dirty paw prints on the floor after Cinderella worked so hard to clean it.

God knows how often he tried to make Cindy's life miserable.

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I think Lucifer is adorable and he can’t help his instincts. Cats hunt mice; that’s what they do…..

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And I get that he had to chase the mice, that is not why I dislike him.
But why did he have to be so awful towards Cinderella?

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