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Movie Used in My Management Skills Class


Twelve O'Clock High was shown in my Management Skill Building class to emphasis "Building Effective Teams." It was interesting.

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In 1976-77 at the NROTC unit at the University of Oklahoma, a LT Wallace taught my senior-level management classes. He used TWELVE O'CLOCK HIGH in class at that time, and used it quite effectively too to make his points.

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We just watched pieces of this today in my Business Management and Organization class, to help determine and pick out different managerial styles and changes, very well done.

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I had to watch this movie for a Leadership class now I am writing a paper on it. If anyone has any other research information or websites that may be helpful please let me know.

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Kathy
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The film, Twelve O'Clock High is widely used as a film case study to illusrtate the behavioral model used widely for leadership developemt programs called Siuational Leadership(R). For more on this really powerful workshop use this link:

http://www.situational.com/TOCH.pdf

Some years back, Inc. magazine conducted a study and this terrific film was cited as having had the most significant impact on the leadership style of Executives of any film ever made.

Cheers,

Randy Baker
Center for Leadership Studies
(760) 741-6595
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The movie has been used by lots of organizations. Obviously, military services would use it, but it has made its way into other venues, including police supervisory training and business training.

I have been through several variations on presentations and have put on a few myself. One very interesting wrinkle, especially with people who have already gone through training sessions with this movie, is to look for areas where General Savage did the WRONG thing. Also, look for how the lines between General Savage and COlonel Davenport become blurred.

Great movie.

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The article was in the 03/2000 issue of "Inc." and was called "Everything I Know About Leadership, I Learned From the Movies". "Inc." surveyed 100 of their readers, and claimed response from about 2/3 - "Twelve O'Clock High" made more than 2 dozen of the lists. For the benefit of anyone who might be teaching a management class, or who missed the article, here's the list the way "Inc." had it, in alphabetical order...

Apollo 13
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Dead Poets Society
Glengarry Glen Ross
It's a Wonderful Life
Norma Rae
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Twelve Angry Men
Twelve O'Clock High

Interesting, isn't it? Any additions?

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Yes, Billy Bud made sometime in the 60's is a great movie to discuss in a supervisory/management class.

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North-West Frontier, where Spencer Tracy's Rogers is a great example of leadership and motivation.

It ain't like it used to be. But it'll do.

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Isn't that film also known as Northwest Passage? The one with Robert Young as the artist?

It's a movie that often gets overlooked, and it's one of Spencer Tracy's better performances. It's based on a pretty good book, too.

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Sorry - of course it's North-west Passage. I was getting confused with the Kenneth More film. Come to think, there are some mangement/leadership lessons in that as well.

It ain't like it used to be. But it'll do.

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"Inc." had it, in alphabetical order...
Apollo 13
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Dead Poets Society
Glengarry Glen Ross
It's a Wonderful Life
Norma Rae
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Twelve Angry Men
Twelve O'Clock High
Interesting, isn't it? Any additions?"

My management class showed "12 O'Clock High" and "12 Angry Men." Also -- "Midway," which actually wasn't half bad.

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Rock Hudson made a 1962 film named "A Gathering of Eagles". It is a study of leadership styles similar to "12 O'Clock High", but focused on a contemporary SAC B-52 Wing. It's fairly obscure, haven't seen it on TV in years.

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My MBA class showed both Twelve O'Clock High and Twelve Angry Men. The former for leadership and the latter as an example of group think and how to overcome it.

I really did not get an answer when I pointed out that Peck's character had a nervous breakdown and a leader needs to distance himself from his subordinates. "Never let someone elses problem become yours" is what a company CEO told me once. He was a very wealthy and self-made man.

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"Never let someone elses problem become yours" is what a company CEO told me once.

That quote is somewhat nebulous isn't it? If you run things, doesn't it follow that the problem your subordinates have is yours just as well? The only thing different is that you have a different end of the "problem". If you're leading you're supervising not doing. That's your subordinates job, to execute.
And can we say Peck's character was weak because he had a nervous breakdown while holding onto a "problem"? The "problem" in that case was getting "results" knowing that decisions will decide who and how many would DIE. I'm not sure how many people could stand up to that psychological pressure. I don't think Peck's character was so concerned about "executing" (worrying about what they had to do specifically) but rather internalizing his concern for his men and their lives to such an extent that it debiliatated his decision-making in sending men on those bombing missions. And as we saw he did get psychologically paralyzed. Fscinating pix, one of the greats for those in biz to watch.

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"Never let someone elses problem become yours" is what a company CEO told me once.


That sounds like typical pass-the-buck, take-no-responsibility, throw-your-subordinates-under-the-bus bureaucratese to me!

As a retired Army reserve components armor/cavalry officer (whose military career began as an Air Force fighter backseater), and whose civilian career was in the public school system, it still bewilders me how people use the terms "management" and "leadership" interchangeably. Management skills are only one subset of the leadership skills set. I've seen plenty of people (particularly in the public school administrative system) who took all the management courses in graduate school and had not one iota of leadership in their skills sets. I also saw more than I cared to in both branches of service I was in.

I knew something was wrong back in Air Force ROTC in the 1970s when the "leadership" block of instruction was based upon a civilian corporate management model with "productivity" being the goal, and the "products" being things like aircraft sortie launches, and having little or nothing to do with actual combat readiness. During my time as a blue-suiter, everyone threw around terms like "9-1 leader" and "1-9 leader", the former being someone who placed the mission above all else and didn't worry about the morale or welfare of his subordinates, and the latter being someone who took care of the morale and welfare as first priority and relied on that to motivate his subordinates to accomplish the mission. In that context, General Savage was spoken of as a 9-1 leader who broke down because he'd slowly moved toward becoming a 1-9 leader (as Colonel Davenport had been) over time.

It was a welcome relief when I switched uniforms and found out that in Army terms, "leadership style" was pretty much defined along a spectrum of how much you micromanaged your subordinates and how much you delegated authority to them, with the caveat that as a leader you can never "delegate" responsibility. Friends of mine who stayed in the Air Force reported that the Air Force saw a gradual shift, or at least an attempt to shift, to that leadership model in the mid-'80s.

I don't think leadership can be taught in a classroom. The full skills set needs to be developed through experience.

The best quote on the difference between management and leadership I've ever heard is attributed to an Air Force fighter pilot who at the time serving as an Air Liaison Officer/Forward Air Controller assigned to an Army infantry unit in Vietnam (whose name I've unfortunately never been able to learn): "The difference between management and leadership is that you can't manage a man to his own death!"

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"That sounds like typical pass-the-buck, take-no-responsibility, throw-your-subordinates-under-the-bus bureaucratese to me!"

And I saw it the same as well. It also relates to another tossed off quip found in business management as "the customer is ALWAYS right!" A little analysis on that shows it as an absolutely ridiculous statement.



I don't think leadership can be taught in a classroom. The full skills set needs to be developed through experience.

With that I found it interesting to note how Lincoln, as President, managed his Civil War. He wasn't a West Pointer and didn't study "war" as such but he sure knew the way to win with the subordinates he put in charge. He must've taken much from the well of his life experience to be a tremendous leader during those turbulent times.

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Fellow had an MBA from Wharton as well.

That is how it is. Never take on the problems of your subordinate. Replace them when they have issues. Up or Out.

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Leadership is a hands on experience, no doubt about it. People can draw lessons learned from a military movie or even military experiences but I find it hard to translate into the civilian or private sector.

Being an effective leader and follower can't be learned from watching movies.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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