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The only Americans fighting in Europe in 1942!


When the movie begins there is this statement:

This movie is dedicated to those Americans both living and dead, whose gallant effort made possible daylight precision bombing. They were the only Americans fighting in Europe in the fall of 1942..."

How dare Mr. Zannuck and King proffer such a lie!

Let's remind the USA that the Battle of Britain was fought by the British RAF pilots with some French who had joined the Gaullist party after the debacle of Dunkirk. The British pilots were also present during the bombings of German cities i.e. Lubeck(march 1942),Cologne (may 1942) and were done under the command of Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris aka "Bomber Harris".

It is easy to make such statements when one between 1939 and december 1941 was comfortably closing ones eyes to the struggle and human lives shed by Europeans all alone, while the population of a whole continent was declaring not to wish to intervene and had among its ranks declared supporters of the Nazi regime!

I'm utterly shocked by such declaration as a French man and the injustice made to England and its courage at such a time. What would have happened if England had surrendered and had been occupied? I doubt the USA would have done anything even after Pearl Harbor!

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That's the most idiotic statement I've read on this particular board! WTF do the RAF and Bomber Harris have to do with the first Americans to reach Europe and enter into combat?

If you are complaining about who practiced precision daylight bombing during World War II, you are obviously completely ignorant of the fact that the British only practiced night area or carpet bombing of targets on the German-occupied European mainland from just about the start of the war because the German fighters exacted what the British considered too high a casualty rate on them. The Americans were not only the only Allied Air Forces who practiced precision daylight bombing, but they suffered those higher losses, and many lost their own lives, to minimize the collateral damage on the civilian populations near the target areas, to include France.

And you should know that the Philippines, the country where I was born, was a US Commonwealth until after World War II, and it was occupied by the Japanese after Franklin Roosevelt decided to abandon that US Territory and the 60,000 US troops defending it, in order to focus on defeating the Germans first. Your precious and ungrateful French ass was liberated from the Germans, largely by US troops, before my family was liberated from the Japanese because of Roosevelt's decisions.

Who do we talk to about giving France back to the Germans? :-P

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Tom, give the incoherent 'froggy' a break. I'm inclined that either he's "funnin' us"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfZ5HqXKkBA ) or he used some sort of translation software that didn't quite work.






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Nick:

The best way to judge is to read the guy's posting history. He doesn't sound like he's "funnin us" but is some brainwashed and probably communist-indoctrinated American-hating idealogue. Sounds a lot like this British guy (who I won't name) whom you and I have both had exchanges with on boards for other WWII-related movies and miniseries, only the Brit has the added hypocrisy of claiming that he likes America and Americans. (Betty Grable! Nice gams! Betty Boop! What a dish! Go fly a kite! Cat got your tongue?)

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Hmmmmm....I get along OK with a British Fella especially well informed on Great White Sharks and Dubya Dubya Too.




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I am a bit shocked that the original poster apparently can't even read his own post to see that nothing in the body follows from the first statement at all.

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I simply could make no sense out of it--so I assumed it was run though one of those translation software programs...





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The froggie is obvously a fool, or just can't read English well --

but it occurs to me that the inro might not be quite accurate. It may not be considering the OSS troops that were probably aready behind the lines in France, albeit NOT in American uniforms.

I'd have to do some checking to make sure, but I believe we did have some OSS guys in there in 1942.

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The OP is mentally ill.

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The three Eagle Squadrons (Yanks in the RAF) fought in Europe from the spring of 1941 to September 1942 when they were then absorbed into the 8th Air Force.
KS

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A small group (about 60) of US Rangers went ashore at Dieppe (1942) and fought alongside the British Commandos who were training them. That's about all I can remember for now.






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50 Rangers from the 1st Ranger Battalion were selected to land at Dieppe on 18 August 1942.

Killed-in-Action:

Corporal Franklin Zip Koons

Second Lieutenant Edwin Loustalot

Private Owen Sweazey

Sergeant Alex Szima

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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If you're gonna nitpick about the US Army Rangers attached to the Brit commandos at Dieppe and the RAF Eagle Squadrons, please note that the Dieppe raid took place in August 1942 after which the Rangers were turned into a training cadre for more Rangers, and the that the Eagle Squadrons were absorbed into the US 8th Air Force as the 4th Fighter Group that same month. So the 8th Air Force were indeed the only Americans fighting in Europe in the Fall of 1942.

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The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) doesn't count? The OSS was operating in Europe from June 1942 until 20 September 1945, the last time I checked:

June 1942 predates Fall 1942 and continues till Winter 1942. Learn to research and check your data before posting.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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Can't make heads nor tails of this post. Is the OP unaware that Britons are not Americans? 

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