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Was the story about how the beast got transformed a lie


La Bête says that he was transformed into the beast because his parents didn't believe in fairies, but Avenant was transformed for trespassing in the temple of Diana.

Did anyone else get the indication that La Bête was lying about his story, and that he also once broke in (for whatever reason) to the temple?

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Ooo that's a really interesting take. He probably DID lie about it, but who knows why and for what reason. I'll have to watch again to see what this new insight brings me.

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This movie was beautiful but as u said end was confusing , didnt make complete sense . The beast's explanation didnt look convincing . What happened to Avenant ? did he get converted on trespassing ?

i think i prefer the end of Disney's animated version.

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I believed him.

I thought la Bête transformed into Avenant because la Belle had told him earlier that she had once loved him, and found him handsome.
Then Avenant turned into la Bête, because there couldn't be two Avenants. Furthermore, Avenant is dead, at the end, isn't he? That's what the script I have says:

"AVENANT: On se débrouillera. Le principal est d'être dans la place. Cale-toi bien. Empoigne-moi fort. Attends. Attends un peu! Tu me lâcheras quand je te le dirai...
[La statue de Diane tire une flèche sur Avenant]
Oh!
[Avenant se transforme en la Bête. Sa chute au sol lui est fatale. À cet instant précis, la Bête se transforme en prince charmant.]"

Bit in bold means: "Avenant turns into la Bête. His fall to the ground is fatal. Simultaneously, la Bête turns into a beautiful prince."

I don't know, really.



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I love this movie but I really dislike Marais and I sincerely wish another actor had been chosen to play La Bete, and I also wish that two separate actors played La Bete and Avenant.

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I'm sorry to hear that you don't like Jean Marais, but I think he's perfect for this film. However, you're entitled to your opinion.

Also, I think you miss the point of having the same actor play all three roles, as Avenant and the Beast are two sides of the same coin, while Prince Ardent is a blend of the best of the other two.

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Marais had an absurdly high and scratchy voice; he looked handsome enough, but this wasn't a silent movie, and his voice took me out of it.

I'm going to guess, as far as the Beast is concerned, that he, too, had been struck by Diana's arrow trying to get into the pavillion, but he didn't die -- the scrip specificially says that it is the fall, and not the arrow, that kills Avenant.

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"I love this movie but I really dislike Marais and I sincerely wish another actor had been chosen to play La Bete, and I also wish that two separate actors played La Bete and Avenant."
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Unless of course this movie is an allegory of how a woman can tame the beastly part of a man. And Avenant had a beastly side to him, n'est pas?

I didn't like Marais either. But then he did play an arrogant p..ck in the movie.

What gets me is that the filmmakers didn't try to make the Beast at all sympathetic. I found him horribly ugly on the outside, and not exactly a barrel of laughs on the inside. I don't believe for a minute that such a whiny, needy, obsessive personality could ever win over a woman. Ugh. Here's a prince they can keep.


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Two separate actors?! You do know that the whole point of having the same actor do all 3 parts was to give the story a jungian layer of depth: there is a "normal" part of you that wants to kill the more "wild" subconscious irrational part, which actually isn't an evil part at all, just wild. Etc.

That layer of depth IS what makes this movie so special and uniquely original! Take that away, and it's just another beauty-and-the-beast movie with some pretty visuals.

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I suspect that the prince was turned into a beast the same way Avenant was--and a previous "Beast" walked out with the prince's original face. This could have been going on for some time.

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The ending was ridiculous, it seemed that the beast was only turned back into a prince because Avenant took the cursed arrow so that their bodies were magically switched and suddenly Bella said that she loved the Beast in the first place, in the end, they fly (!) back to his kingdom.

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It's a puzzling masterpiece but let's see.
Before the Beauty comes back home to see her ill father, the Beast wants to know if she has ever been asked in marriage, and she replies: Yes, by Avenant. And the Beast runs away furious. Why? Maybe he thinks he should swap his appearance with Avenant's, but he can't because he has a kind heart.
When the Beauty comes back to the Castle, the Beast is dying. The Beauty doesn't say: "I will marry you", but "I am the monster, you must live", and the Beast replies:"We poor beasts who wish to prove our love can do no more than die"...
And he would have died if Diana hadn't fatally wounded Avenant in the meantime.
Avenant is dying, now the Beast can swap his appearance with him in good conscience.
So I think the Beast tells the truth: he was transformed into beast because his parents didn't believe in magic, and it's in his power to swap his appearance with somebody else but his kind heart had always prevented him from doing it until...the end of the movie.
A really tragic story: Avenant dies, the Beauty agrees to marry the Beast only after he has assumed Avenant's appearance and she doesn't wonder what might have happened to Avenant.

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So I think the Beast tells the truth: he was transformed into beast because his parents didn't believe in magic, and it's in his power to swap his appearance with somebody else but his kind heart had always prevented him from doing it until...the end of the movie.
Good point. This would be why Avenant and Belle's siblings are lost because they do not believe in the magic of La Bête. They are contemptuous and the sisters dismiss it as sorcery. Belle's father believes and he recovers. Belle believes in it too hence her transportation back to La Bête's after Avenant and her brother stole the horse.
A bird sings and the mountain's silence deepens.

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