As a newspaperman for the past 33 years, please allow this suggestion. "Meet John Doe" is a real, working man's approach to what's wrong with America. Highly socialist and anti-facist, surely. But Capra knew where the heart of the issues was when it came to haves vs. have-nots. And it didn't have anything to do with the populist pandering marketed so well by the Clintons, Oprah Winfrey and their ilk. Lighthouses in a foggy world, these characters ain't. And our whiskey-drinking Connells of yesteryear have been replaced by the likes of Talking Head Social Conscience Cutie Soledad O'Brien. Sad, sad, sad. As one who has served as "the help" at country clubs in three states, it's easy to recognize those who would bring the hammer down on the working class. But the true value of "Meet John Doe" is that it finds redemption in working people coming together to help each other, without the self-ordained psuedo-messiahs leading the way. Long live "the people."
Well, is there anything in it for libertarians or libertarian-leaning conservatives to like? I've never belonged to any country club, BTW. I'm not rich, either.
I just want to be left alone. I worry more about the public sector messing with me (telling me what guns I can own, how much water my toilet tank can hold, etc.) than the private sector, but I don't take kindly to being messed with by the private sector (my landlord, for instance) either.
Everybody who'd like government off his back ain't a country club fat cat or tycoon or robber baron or anything like that.
I have to admit that the brief scenes from it they showed in a Barbara Stanwyck clip show on TCM tonight looked interesting. I kind of think Indiana Jones' usual outfit might have been modeled on that of "John Doe," to judge from one scene they showed. The hat was about the same, and the shirt and jacket were very similar.
I guess I'd watch it if it came on just for the visuals. I'm not too keen on enduring two hours of preachy agit-prop, though.
It's a sad commentary on modern Conservatives and Libertarians when the notion that people should look out for each other is something for them to sniff at.
I do not think the notion of people (voluntarily) looking out for each other is anything to sniff at. I'm all for that. What I'm against is being forced at gunpoint to "share the wealth" (of which I don't have much).
I posted my previous comment before I ever saw the movie. I was "askin', not tellin'." I finally got around to seeing most of it (I missed the beginning) only a couple of weeks or so ago. I generally liked it, though I'm still not quite sure what the intended message was, or who, exactly, D.B. was supposed to represent, unless it was something like "the Bund."
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And I stood where I did be; for there was no more use to run; And again I lookt with my hope gone.
D.B. Norton was supposed to represent the Fascist powers that were taking over Europe (Hitler in Germany, Mussonlini in Italy, Franco in Spain). If you notice, the United States Government is not involved in the story except for a brief scene where surprise is shown that people are going off relief -- due to the help they are given by the John Doe Clubs.
D.B. Norton is a wealthy industrialist who wants political power. He has his own security force. He has money to buy what he wants. When he sees his servants listening to John's speech on the radio and applauding, he realizes the political power he can have if he can just get John Doe on his side. John (Willoughby), though he has taken the position as John Doe for a job, understands that the principles of the John Doe Clubs state that NO politicians are allowed to be involved. Norton attempts to buy off John and Ann, and when that doesn't work, he uses his private security force to destroy the rally and discredit John.
Dictators are not voted into power; they TAKE it. Norton was on his way to taking power. He was trying to use the John Doe Clubs to that end. He did not believe in the club's ideals except to further his own goals. And when John would not co-operate, Norton was ready to destroy him through lies and brute force -- not unlike the techniques that brought Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini to power. Frank Capra, an immigrant to the United States, wanted to show freedom could be corrupted to dictatorship.
One very important point in this movie that a lot of people seem to be missing completely is that the people looking out for each other was just that -- neighbors helping neighbors (the teachings of the Christ). In the movie, the U.S. government was not demanding this. It was a grass-roots movement. And D.B. Norton wanted to exploit that movement for his own political gains. I don't see any grass-roots movements of today doing anything to get people off welfare, but using exploiting that idea to gain power . . .
I just witnessed "people looking after people" first hand following the floods in Tennessee. Remarkable yet ordinary. It was what we were supposed to do.
As a newspaperman for the past 33 years, please allow this suggestion. "Meet John Doe" is a real, working man's approach to what's wrong with America. Highly socialist and anti-facist, surely. But Capra knew where the heart of the issues was when it came to haves vs. have-nots. And it didn't have anything to do with the populist pandering marketed so well by the Clintons, Oprah Winfrey and their ilk. Lighthouses in a foggy world, these characters ain't. by - tmonigan on Fri Dec 23 2005 13:23:36 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, well thank God, evil is concentrated inone party and that the Bush monkey house isn't cynically manipulating the masses.
But the true value of "Meet John Doe" is that it finds redemption in working people coming together to help each other, without the self-ordained psuedo-messiahs leading the way. Long live "the people."
by - tmonigan on Fri Dec 23 2005 13:23:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Did we see the same movie? Because in the one I saw, cyncial journalists and the hoardes turn a man into a messiah/leader/idol.
Ultimately Capra's argument could be anything. The film is a mess.
The movie is about how to be more like Jesus. In the very last scene even the actess says as much. I thought it was very heartwarming and moving. I mean if we really got out there and met our neighbors and offered help where needed just think how much would change. I personally have lived in the same neighborhood for 15 years and I know 4 families out of probably 50 or more. Even before I saw the movie I wanted to get out there and get to know them but something holds me back, ya know? I suggest everyone watch this movie.
I always got the impression that not knowing one's neighbors well was a contemporary phenomenon, as if the world had gotten colder since the (relative) olden days -- but from watching this movie, it was the same back then. I guess people are people, whichever era.
I've been watching a lot of old movies on Movies! channel and what you say is very true. There were no "good old days", people were just as self serving, manipulative and flawed then as they are now.