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did this win the 1942 best picture oscar over citizen kane?

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Probably because members of the Academy were mostly against the upstart Orson Welles. A lot of politics goes into Oscar nominations and voting. From what I've read, Welles was disliked by much of the Hollywood establishment, so even though they wouldn't deny KANE nominations, it only won one (Best Original Screenplay--probably because Welles shared credit with Herman Mankciewicz(sp?) It's been written that at the awards dinner much of the crowd booed anytime Welles' name came up. (since the ceremony was private at the time, there may be no way to prove that)

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A bestselling novel translated to the screen with poetic imagery, first-rate performances and stunning cinematography. How could "How Green Was My Valley" not win the academy award?

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The other reason it might've won that year is because people used to have taste, and recognized that Citizen Kane was awful.

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wondering the same thing!! the ACADEMY AWARDS ARE FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF COMPLETE IDIOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MOVIES!!!

citizen kane not winning the best picture is just one of many films that never won best picture but should of an deserved to. add- the graduate, 2001, clockwork orange, star wars, apocalypse now, pulp fiction and lord of the rings 1- to that list as well (just to name a few, there are more films who were robbed).

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thats hollywood politics for ya...

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"wondering the same thing!! the ACADEMY AWARDS ARE FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF COMPLETE IDIOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MOVIES!!!

citizen kane not winning the best picture is just one of many films that never won best picture but should of an deserved to. add- the graduate, 2001, clockwork orange, star wars, apocalypse now, pulp fiction and lord of the rings 1- to that list as well (just to name a few, there are more films who were robbed)."

Clockwork Orange DID win best picture, you penis

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http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Academy_Awards_USA/1972

uh, check your facts before making a derogatory comment to someone. french connection won in '72 not ACO.


you penis.

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you obviously didnt go to the link. why am i even having this ridiculous conversation again??

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my bad, penis

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The Academy is filled with industry people who will often, out of self-interest or personal loyalty, support one movie or artist over another. Humphrey Bogart once said that the only honest way to determine the best actor is to have everyone put on tights and recite from "Hamlet".

cinefreak

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Idiots who know nothing??


Half the films you mentioned I wouldn't spit on if the original prints were on fire.

There's no accounting for taste.


(star wars?) please.

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Well Pride and Prejudice ought to win best picture (and best actress) this year, but it most likely won't.

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Complaining about Citizen Kane not winning against How Green was My Valley is completely fruitless. If a bad movie would have won, I could see an argument, but HGWMV is an amazing piece of art and, by all standards, a masterpiece.

I slightly prefer CK, but let's not whine about an amazing film losing to another amazing film. They're both 10s, easily. I'd of given Best Picture to Kane and Best Director to Ford.

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Yes, many times very good movies are released the same year. Obviously they can't all win Oscars. For example, "The Grapes of Wrath", "Gone With the Wind" and "The Wizard of Oz" were all competing against each other the same year, later on "Lawrence of Arabia" and "To Kill A Mockingbird" would compete at the same Oscars.


I'm a cotton-headed ninny-muggins.

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You've hit on what is to me (and possibly others) a very touchy subject because it deals with what it is that makes certain movies great.
Technically speaking, yes, "Citizen Kane" should probably have won Best Picture that year. It was a pioneering effort and a landmark film which is still awesome to behold. "HGWMV" is an absolutely gorgeous film which I will watch whenever it's on, but it did not change the shape of film history.
I've never really thought of the Oscar as indicative of cinematic greatness. Generally it's always seemed to me to be something of a popularity contest. It rewarded box-office performance and the flavor of the month. Yes, sometimes, the right movie is awarded. Often not. In 1933 the Best Picture Oscar was won by "Cavalcade"...this in the year of "King Kong", which wasn't even nominated. In 1943 Paul Lukas in "Watch on the Rhine" beat out Humphrey Bogart in "Casablanca" for best actor.
"Alternative Oscars" by Danny Peary is an informative (and fun) read. It talks about Oscar politics through the years, including the 1941 awards, which you make reference to. That "Kane" didn't win is something you have to chalk up to the politics of the time. Welles was considered an upstart and had pissed off a lot of very important people, not the least of whom was William Randolph Hearst.
That being said, "Citizen Kane" is a dazzling film that changed the course of cinematic history. I can watch it in rapt amazement and be dazzled. It's brilliant on all fronts...but I find it difficult to warm to...I've never developed an affection for it, whereas I adore "How Green Was My Valley". It continues to move me after repeated viewings. If that makes me less of a cinematic connoisseur, so be it. On the other hand, one of my top ten favorite films is "The Devil and Daniel Webster" which very few people know of these days (although it won the Oscar for best score that year). I feel no great need to have my favorites validated by an Oscar or by mass agreement from other movie fans. It's nice, but not essential.

cinefreak

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Well put, cinefreak. The oscars are fun for trivia lists and as a guide to what has been popular or acclaimed throughout the years. Like you, my personal favourite or best movies do not need committee validation, and your feelings on CK and HGWMV parallel mine.

The Oscars telecast doesn't interest me as it did when I was a teen and I think one reason (besides it being a boring show) is that with the proliferation of entertainment programs and channels, these "stars" are everywhere. There's a glut on the market. When I was a kid it was a big deal to see movie stars but now, you just wish they'd go away!

Thank you for reminding me of The Devil and Daniel Webster. Walter Huston's outstanding performance should be more well known.



You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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"Thank you for reminding me of The Devil and Daniel Webster. Walter Huston's outstanding performance should be more well known".

Top notch movie and for me the perfect Halloween flick. All that Currier and Ives early Americana stuff, that Oscar-winning Bernard Herrmann score and the great Walter Huston as Mr. Scratch. And that wonderful fade-out. I don't understand why it isn't better known.

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Actually grapes of wrath came out in 1940, while gone with the wind and wizard of oz came out in 1939, but the grapes of wrath still lost to rebecca

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Oh, well my mistake then.


I'm a cotton-headed ninny-muggins.

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Does THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER exist on home video? I haven't seen it in years, when it used to be a staple on commercial TV.

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