Was I the only one who found the dvd commentary horrible? This is one of my favorite films and I was excited to see a commentary listed but to listen to it was torture. They should at least have found someone who had a deeper appreciation for the film. The commentaries for films like Laura, I found very insightful. This was just a waste of time. Maybe it was just me.
I don't own the latest DVD release, but have a copy from the Criterion Collection. I'm curious if it is the same commentator, Leonard J. Leff. I find some of his insights interesting, but he seems overly critical at times; especially of Joan Fontaine. It becomes pretty irritating after a while.
Schickel has quite a record for ruining audio commentaries on great movies. The one he did for 'Once Upon a Time in America'comes to mind. That's a terrific film and it just screamed for an incisive commentary track by some Leone scholar... but no... they had to put this guy who literally wanders throughout the film (just count the times he goes: "uhh..." "mmmm..." "ehhh..." between frequently unimportant comments). That one's a torture to listen to.
I own the Criterion version with a commentary by Leonard J. Leff and, on the other hand, it's actually quite good. It was ported over from the 1990 Criterion laserdisc.
It was not merely your perception that Richard Schickel’s commentary leaves so much to be desired. It is sparse and poorly delivered. He misses many opportunities to provide insight and to answer the kinds of questions that naturally occur to interested film buffs.
For a movie of this stature, the bonus features on the newest DVD make a pretty poor showing. The documentaries are rather chopped up, bouncing back and forth between pundits like a ping-pong match. The documentaries are really more about Selznick and Hitchcock than the film itself. Exploring the personalities of these titans is relevant, of course, but I had hoped for more details about the actual making of the film, including locations and sets.
One of the most dissatisfying aspects of the bonus material is a dogged insistence upon finding a lesbian attraction between Rebecca de Winter and her housekeeper and personal maid, Mrs. Danvers. This pernicious notion is found throughout the commentary and the documentaries. Dame Judith Anderson flatly denied any such subtext in her portrayal of Mrs. Danvers, but Richard Schickel does not allow himself to be confused by mere facts. I hold that even if such a portrayal had actually been attempted, it simply would not have worked. It would have run counter to the main plot device of the story, which is the gradually unfolding picture of Rebecca as everything a woman would aspire to be, raised to a level of almost unattainable perfection. To all appearances, she was the perfect wife and lover to her husband, the perfect hostess and mistress of the estate, demure or bold as circumstances required, sure-footed in any situation. A large portion of the story is necessarily devoted to creating this image and exploring its impact upon the second Mrs. de Winter. The object is to present a flawless Rebecca, happily married to Maxim, who in turn was madly in love with her. Without this understanding, the story doesn’t work. To interject the notion of an illicit relationship at this point would certainly strike a false note, if not wreck the entire story.
Schickel’s commentary also reveals that he is simply not familiar with his material. He assures us that a vast departure was made from the novel’s ending in order to satisfy movie censors. He claims that in the novel, Dr. Baker is a sleazy abortionist who had seen Rebecca over the years, and who confirmed that she was pregnant, presumably by Jack Favell. Schickel asserts that these sordid details were whitewashed for the film by transforming Dr. Baker into a respectable physician, (impeccably played by Leo G. Carroll), and having him diagnose Rebecca with inoperable cancer.
Well, unless du Maurier published two different versions of her novel, this is utter nonsense. In the novel, Dr. Baker is a respectable physician whom Rebecca saw exactly twice; once for initial consultation and x-rays, and again the following week for the final diagnosis. She suspected cancer, and Dr. Baker confirmed this, but also found a malformation of her uterus that explained why she had never conceived a child over the years, despite her promiscuous lifestyle. In the novel, Favell sinks to even lower depths at this revelation by nervously asking the others if they think cancer might be contagious. This line didn’t make it into the movie.
I find it astonishing that such slipshod work by Schickel could actually make it into the final cut. His commentary all the way through strikes me as ill-prepared, unrehearsed, and done in one take.
Richard Schickel specializes in being a killjoy. His largely negative and often inconsequential commentary for Rebecca is nothing compared to some of his other commentaries. I've wondered, for example, why he even bothered with 1953's Titanic--granted, not a Citizen Kane or Rebecca, but certainly more deserving of something beyond the sneering monologue he contributed.
I don't think it's necessary for a commentator to be a rah-rah cheerleader. Critical criticism definitely has its place. But Schickel doesn't really seem to care much about these movies and often comes across as tired, bored, cranky, and/or ill-prepared. Schickel is a legendary film critic and has written many worthwhile books about film and film industry participants. But he should stay away from commentary tracks.
For the record, however, I strongly agree that a sexual subtext exists in the relationship between Mrs. Danvers and Rebecca.
Although I see no reason to place any limit on Rebecca's or Mrs. Danvers' capacities for perversion, my opinion is that some people, specifically Richard Schickel and others quoted in the DVD documentaries, are entirely too eager to superimpose today's moral sensibilities on yesterday's population. Schickel specifically asked Dame Judith Anderson if there was a Lesbian subtext in her role, albeit understated or disguised sufficiently to get it past the censors. Anderson replied emphatically in the negative, but of course this doesn't matter because WE are smarter than that. WE know better than the person who was actually there and played the role.
Sarcasm aside, I'm sorry, but I think first-hand evidence has to be given much more weight than Schickel is willing to grant.
I have tried to explain how an emphasis on Lesbianism in Danvers showing off Rebecca's rooms and clothing would have wrecked the story. In my opinion, Danvers' purpose is to let Maxim's wife know what a miserable failure she is as a female, compared to Rebecca. Rebecca's clothing, figure, hair, perfume, slippers, and bedroom furnishings all exude perfect feminine charm, which translates to sexual attractiveness to Maxim as well as any other red-blooded male. The point is to make the second Mrs. DeWinter feel like a shabby impostor. At this point in the story, it is too early for Mrs. DeWinter or the reader to suspect the sort of evil person that Rebecca actually is.
At this point in the story, it is too early for Mrs. DeWinter or the reader to suspect the sort of evil person that Rebecca actually is.
Perhaps not evil, but it's fairly clear that Maxim wasn't happy with Rebecca. Or, at the very least, that he's happy that his new wife is the polar opposite of his first wife. Way back in Monte Carlo, he tells her straight out that if she DID wear fancy clothes and jewelry, she wouldn't be in his car. He is attracted to her modesty. When she does dress up and style her hair, he doesn't like it.
These are clues pointing to the fact that he doesn't want a replacement for Rebecca; he wanted someone different. It could be because he didn't want to be reminded of her, but my guess (which turned out to be true) was that he didn't even like the fancy clothes and valuable items (such as the broken china cupid, which he didn't even care was broken), things that were oh so important to Rebecca.
The new Mrs. de Winter doesn't pick up on these things, perhaps because of her insecurity and naivete, but the audience (I believe) is supposed to.
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Col_Julyan said: "At this point in the story, it is too early for Mrs. DeWinter or the reader to suspect the sort of evil person that Rebecca actually is."
fearnotofman replied: "Perhaps not evil, but it's fairly clear that Maxim wasn't happy with Rebecca." "The new Mrs. de Winter doesn't pick up on these things, perhaps because of her insecurity and naivete, but the audience (I believe) is supposed to."
Col_Julyan response: There is no question that Rebecca was an evil, and diabolically clever character, and that the central plot device of both book and film is the stunning revelation of this reality late in the story, as the second Mrs. DeWinter’s inverted perspective is suddenly turned completely right-side-up. Definite clues were dropped along the way, but like any good detective fiction, the idea is not that readers should actually deduce the truth, but that they should look back afterwards and say ‘Yes, it all makes sense now; I should have known’.
On their honeymoon at Monte Carlo Maxim learned what a cruel, heartless, conniving person he had married in Rebecca. No sooner had the wedding knot been thoroughly tied than Rebecca let him know what a dope he was and how completely she had taken him in. Her plan was to enjoy the good life at Manderley, finding sport in tormenting Maxim with her infidelities while pulling the wool over the eyes of the locals. The more outrageously she could cut up and get away with it, the better she liked it. If this isn’t wickedness on a grand scale, I don’t know what would be.
I didn't use the commentary on the DVD, but I did watch the Bonus Features, and it clarified two thing for me that seem to be popular topics. . . . Danvers was not a lesbian, and in the book Maxim killed Rebecca.
You know, you could record your own audio commentary and post on the Internet. Check out http://www.Zarban.com. It's a clearing house for commentaries available online.
I LOVE YOU for pointing this out. This is the most somnelent commentary I have ever heard. There are interesting bits of info but the guy was clearly reading. Additionally, he sounded like he had a wad of wool in his mouth. Insufferable.