Why the change in ending?
From the novel to the film?
I could have my own children.And if they got too loud,I'd put them in the oven.
From the novel to the film?
I could have my own children.And if they got too loud,I'd put them in the oven.
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its a shame. it makes maxim more human if he had murdered her. now all we're left with is a saint
shareYou have an odd definition of a saint.
shareit gives the impression that he wouldn't think of murdering his wife and that he must suffer selflessly through their marriage. in killing her, he shows that he is capable of doing so, accidentally or not
shareIn reality though, no one will know for sure if he really killed her or not. His wife took it on faith that she really had fallen and hit her head. The cops don't show the doctor a picture of Rebecca to confirm she was the dying patient and that apparently did not give her a proper autopsy. We and the characters are left to assume what happened and we all react accordingly. Danny heard the court decision and burned down the house but only Max knows the truth.
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Truth be told, I had to see you one more time, even if it was from a distance.
i'd still much rather he killed rebecca though. who wouldn't, at that point after all of that?
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OCOE - obsessive compulsive olive eater
the funny thing about the change to the ending was that while it suggests that Rebecca's direct cause of death was an accident, it leaves totally unclear what would have happened if she had not fallen and hit her head. By that I mean that it was left unclear what Maxim might have done if Rebecca had not fallen, or had gotten up still alive. Let's put it this way - it is not clear at all that he would not have killed her if her accidental death had not intervened as it were.
During the scene in the boathouse, Joan Fontaine's excellent performance is one where you can see the evidence in her face and expressions of the wheels turning as she hears Maxim describe the accident. On one hand she is afforded the ability to say "Well then you didn't really kill her!", while at the same time, being no dummy, she knows that her husband might well have but for the accident. Hm.
The way the second Mrs. de Winter chose to stick by her husband, implicitly accepting that her predecessor in the role of wife in effect deserved to die is one of the remarkable elements of this remarkable films.
I guess I am saying the change to the ending did not really resolve Maxim's moral culpability all that cleanly. It may have in a legalistic sense meant he did not literally kill her, but it is far from clear he would not have if things had played out differently.
you make a good point there actually
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OCOE - obsessive compulsive olive eater
The change from Maxim actually killing Rebecca to her dying from an accident is probably because of the Hays Production Code, which specified that killers had to be punished on screen. Hence we have Fred MacMurray dying at the end of Double Indemnity, and Pushover, and Robert Mitchum has to die at the end of Out of the Past, and the list goes on. It was just the way movies were made back then-killers didn't go free. If Rebecca died accidentally, then Maxim is guilty only of covering up her death, but he's not a murderer.
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i didn't know that. thanks for the info. i'm still annoyed that it was changed but now i get why for this film
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OCOE - obsessive compulsive olive eater
Yeah, the Production Code was pretty strict back then-mostly it worked, but in something like Rebecca it really weakens the story. The whole point of the relationship in the book between Maxim and his wife was that she thought he loved Rebecca and missed her-when she found out he actually hated Rebecca and killed her, it made her a new woman. Having Rebecca die accidentally and Maxim cover up her death takes a lot of the punch out of the story.
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zanza,
My previous post in this thread, at least I think, shows why the change should not take so much punch out of the story. For example the scene as played shows Joan Fontaine clearly reacting to the news that her husband hated his first wife as transforming for her.
As for how that hatred specifically related to the first wife's demise, I don't think the change was so qualitative as you suggest. We know Maxim struck her, and we don't know what he would have done if she had not fatally hit her head when she fell. Given the extreme lengths Rebecca went to in order to encourage her husband to kill her, he may well have if she had not died in the fall.
I just don't think the difference was all that significant.
If you don't think the difference was all that significant, then to you it was not all that significant. I've read the book and I've seen the movie, and to me, the movie fell flat in this respect. Let's just agree to disagree.
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zanza,
The second Mrs. de Winter found out that her husband hated his first wife, and that he struck her as she taunted him. That there was included weasel room to assert that she died accidentally does not change that she died as a result of being struck. The second wife also had no reason to think her husband was sorry about his first wife's demise, quite obviously, and could have reasonably concluded he wanted her dead.
The film later shows the law in effect absolving Maxim because of an understanding that her death was suicidal. Not that it was accidental, parsing out his striking her as not the literal cause of her death. In fact I think if the law had understood what really happened, he might well have been charged at the least with assault and some lesser form of manslaughter, most likely.
I appreciate that the change gave the filmmakers and the Hayes people some cover to allow it under the Code, but that was mostly facesaving, and a technical reading of hte code. A lawyer's solution, if you will. I don't think it spoke much to the motivation and perception of the second Mrs. de Winter.
Please see my previous reply, Kenny. It covers what you just said.
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zanza,
While I am prepared to let the matter drop, and to leave you to your opinion, and obviously me to mine, heh, I do not for the record think you even began to make a compelling argument why the change in the story was significant when it came to the motivation and understanding of the real story by the second Mrs. de Winter. For the reasons included in my previous replies...
Kenny, if you don't think the difference was all that significant, then to you it was not all that significant. I've read the book and I've seen the movie, and to me, the movie fell flat in this respect. Let's just agree to disagree.
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i agree. the story is so much better when maxim gets to his breaking point and snaps, it gives the character a bit more substance
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OCOE - obsessive compulsive olive eater
I have not read the book, but the interview in the Bonus section of the DVD a contributor said that in the book Maxim kills Rebecca. Makes me want to read the book.
sharetis true. read it, it's a good book
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Robert Osbourne the commentator and Film Historian from TCM, had said, David O. Selznick wanted to stay true to the Novel, but, Hitchcock wanted His own signature on the Film. That might be the reason for the change.
shareI just finished the book today, and this ending was much more satisfying.
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