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Vivien Leigh as Rebecca in 'Rebecca' (Spoilers)


It would have been perfect--they should have done a single scene in flashback (perhaps her at the Doctor's office, or her death). I know there's something to be said for not having her in the picture at all, but the cameo would have been haunting and memorable, Leigh would have been perfect, and it would have increased her visibility (good for the studio). She might even have nabbed a supporting actress nomination in one of those "one scene that steals the show" cases if the writing and timing were good enough.

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Hi spqrclaudius! I recognize you from the GWTW board...you certainly are a Vivien Leigh fan, aren't you?

The trouble with having Vivien Leigh in that type of cameo is that she might have overtaken the picture with her presence. Everyone would talk about the scene with her in it, and forgotten the poor girl who played the wife (the actress's name I can't remember!) No, it's better that there was no Rebecca at all, and she presides only in our imagination.

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Claudius,that would have been the greatest cameo ever!

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I could imagine Rebecca looking like Vivien Leigh, but I think its so much better that the title character is never seen.

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I still think it would have been the finest cameo ever--ESPECIALLY the doctor scene where she learns she is going to die. She might have nabbed Best Supporting Actress nom with just a handful of lines--just imagine what she could have done with it. It would have been chilling--and then cut back to the room of spectators in the doctor's office in awe. Imagine what a stone cold face and a single tear would have done, followed by a smile.

I DO agree that Vivien's single scene might have overtaken Fontaine's whole performance, though--hey, it's an extreme view, but like someone said, I'm a big admirer of her body of work and think her popularity will grow over time in proportion to the number of films she created.

PS Her screentests for Mrs, Dewinter II in "Rebecca" weren't that bad--it was just hard to imagine Rebecca looking any more magnificently aristocratic than Leigh!

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Are her screentests available somewhere online?Also-this may sound sacrilegious-but some of Rebecca's descriptions were reminiscent of (deep breath)...Alexis Carrington (a.k.a. Joan Collins circa 1981).Especially the way Maxim describes her behaviour,right before the murder/accident at the beach house.

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You can see Vivien's screentest for the role of Mrs. Dewinter 2 on Youtube--a 30 second clip.

And isn't it interesting to know that Joan Collins was/is one of Leigh's biggest fans?

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Just watched it,thanx!She was just too beautiful to play the second Mrs De Winter in my opinion.

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And far too confident. She really just leaps from the screen and grabs you, which is perfect for both Scarlett O'Hara and Blanche Dubois, but not for a mousy wallflower like Mrs. DeWinter 2.

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Apparently, Selznick recommended her for "Notorious." You have to admit, she would have rocked that part, great as Bergman was.

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Notorious is my favorite film and the idea of Vivien Leigh in the film with Cary Grant is stunning. I can't imagine the screen beauty of the kissing scene in the apartment in Rio -- whoa! That would have been censored for sure. Where did you find this information?

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"...Olivier made it clear he had wanted his wife, Vivien Leigh, in the part of "I," despite the fact that Leigh's screen test for it was terrible, drawing hoots from George Cukor when it was shown to him by producer David O. Selznick."
http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/2007/11/fontaine-flowers-rebecca-a nd-suspicion.html
She was wrong for the part. Fontaine was the character; Leigh was acting, and not very convincingly.

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Leigh's screentest was certainly not that bad--it's just that she created an indelible image as Scarlett, and the thought of her playing a pushover seemed like a stretch. I think Leigh was right to be pissed for being passed over--she would have done a fine job, as she proved in Waterloo Bridge.

Regardless, this thread was about her playing REBECCA, a part I still say she would have nailed, just like the lead in Notorious.

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I thought her screen test was pretty bad. She just didn't have the right persona for the character, her lines didn't seem natural. And visually she looks totally wrong.

Thanks for the links.

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I'm not one of those who insists that a film faithfully adhere to every aspect of the book it's sourced from. But in this case, having *anyone* appear as the first Mrs. DeWinter is wholly out of keeping with the careful construct of that character as a memory.

We learn about Rebecca slowly, piecemeal, from one character after another. She's not assigned a face, a body - not even a portrait at the house. The audience, one by one, grows a mental picture of her that shifts with each new clue - and eventually gets flattened all together.

Giving her flesh would destroy that, as each member of the audience will mentally build her slightly differently. A specific kind of beauty, a flicker of coyness or strong intelligence - anything that moves Rebecca from the ethereal to the concrete before the audience's eyes robs them of that very special element both Du Marier and Hitchcock labored so hard to maintain.

I can definitely see the fun in imagining Leigh as Rebecca. But that wouldn't be worth destroying an underpinning of mystery absolutely key to the success of both the movie and the book.

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Very well said, butaneggbert. Not seeing Rebecca makes her live in our imagination, a much more effective dwelling place, of ambiguity and mystery.

No question that Leigh would have nailed any cameo role of Rebecca that might have been devised, but I'm glad one wasn't. Films based on books, in adding the visual element, can often indulge in too much explicitness. Anyway, having her new husband as a costar or not, it's unlikely that Leigh (coming straight off her triumphant prominence in GWTW) would have accepted such a thin little role as the scene or two that previous posters here have envisioned for Rebecca, and had it been a fatter one it would have endangered the integrity and effectiveness of the film as we know it.



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butaneggbert, i couldn't agree more. so much better to have her in the imagination than in physical form, otherwise a representation of her could let down the imagery of the character. she is the unknown for the second mrs de winter and people fear the unknown so its perfect she wasn't ever shown

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Before getting to magilune's point, I should say in the interest of full disclosure that while Joan Fontaine is my favorite actress, I do have Vivien Leigh in my top five, so this whole discussion is very much in my line of interest. I have also seen the Leigh screen test for the role of the second Mrs. de Winter. And Joan's. It is clear that Joan deserved the part by a clear margin (I have also seen the Loretta Young and Anne Baxter tests). But I do not hold that against Leigh so much. It's not realistic to think of even the very greatest actresses that they will nonetheless not be a good casting choice for certain roles.

Partly this difficulty has to do with audience expectations and the synergies such expectations have with the actor's public image, and even the "real person" inside that public image has a relation to that image, or persona, that will limit the actor in respect of certain roles. Sometimes those expectations can be altered enough over time to allow a role against type or expectations. Think of Humphrey Bogart's career playing gangsters and detectives, then playing his two great roles against type in Treasure of the Sierra Madre and African Queen, and even the lesser film The Cain Mutiny. But even then he could only have gone so far (not to digress but the recently shown on TCM great Key Largo came imo perilously close to being a bridge too far for Bogart's career, as his too cynical character saves the performance by becoming the hero/savior in the end after all).

In Vivien Leigh's case coming off her stunning and widely revered performance in Gone With the Wind, the character of the second Mrs. de Winter would have been a great challenge for public expectations, and more to the point was as shown in her screen test just too much of a stretch for her. He ensuing film performances such as in That Hamilton Woman, Ceaser and Cleopatra, Waterloo Bridge and the underappreciated Anna Karenina were all much better roles suited for her.

I guess one must also consider a comparison of the relative beauty of Vivien Leigh and Joan Fontaine. Certainly many would in a discussion of this sort of comparison. Suffice to say in my case I see them both as great beauties, but Fontaine's is more of an expressive sort, tied to manner and movement, while Leigh perhaps holds the edge in if you will a static appraisal of beauty (as in a picture still). this no doubt has to do with why Fontaine got the part, though. as great an actress as Leigh was, and she was that, her strength did not lie where Fontaine's did, in an expressiveness willing where desired to appear unglamorous, mousy and self effacing.

But of course I recognize the OP was not in this thread suggesting that Leigh have replaced Fontaine, as that she should have been cast as Rebecca herself, changing the book to include a direct appearance by Rebecca in the story. Here I think magilune gets it quite correct.

Remember that the story is not merely told from the point of view of "I", but more than that we are meant to understand the events through her character. We are meant to understand who Rebecca was as the second Mrs. de Winter did, which overtly meant not having seen her. It also meant that she is never shown a picture or anything of the sort of Rebecca, being left to wonder about the woman she replaced as Mrs. de Winter, taking into account the various pieces of evidence she received. That this wondering extended to questions about Rebecca's appearance I think meant something would have been lost if she had even seen a picture of Rebecca. But in terms of the narrative's structure, including some sort of flashback including Rebecca alive would have detracted from the story's being understood through the character of "I". So I am glad they didn't do it.

Having said that would Vivien Leigh have done a great job playing Rebecca herself if there were such a role? Most probably.

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Vivien was a beauty, just as Joan was. But in truth nobody could really be Rebecca, she is like a myth. So beautiful that people would stop in there tracks. That is one of the reasons, you never see her. To cast anyone as Rebecca, sort breaks the spell. The reason is everyone has there own view of who or what is beautiful. If you cast someone as Rebecca no matter how beautiful they are someone who say something like this, I don't think she was a beautiful as Joan, etc. Rebecca is support to overshadow, Joan's character so she has to remain what the reader or in this case viewer who think so would be. Hopefully I got that out right!

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There would have been only one Rebecca, Ava Gardner.

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I don't know. I rather like the fact that they didn't show her at all, and that we weren't told the name of the second wife.

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Yes, if Rebecca had ever been depicted, Leigh would have been a good choice.

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