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Talk about a rushed romance (SPOILER)


I guess Ford compressed the time for the romance between Ringo and Dallas, but wow. A few glances during the first stage of the trip, then dinner together at the inn, then some talk about their personal lives after the birth of the baby, next thing you know Ringo wants her to move in with him. Then at the next stop Dallas agrees in so many words. That's one quickie romance for sure.

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Things were different back in the day, you could get a woman pregnant by kissing her.

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Remember when Doc Boone asked Ringo how old he was when he was sent to jail? "Going on 17," he replied. During his time, Ringo never met an adult woman, save for his mom, who probably died when he was a baby. To him, all women, whether they be a lady (Lucy Mallory) or a harlot (Dallas), are equal.

Ford didn't compressed the time for the romance. He just made it simple on the outside, but complex inside.

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@ madbandit20002000
Hello, this is indeed an interesting hypothesis. However, if this is true, why did Dallas agree so readily? After all, she is a woman of the world, and should recognize a retarded person. In addition, Ringo was more attracted by the baby than by Dallas herself. Why should he develop a liking for offspring in jail?

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@ ayf_1983
Hello, I was also amazed by this affair. On second thoughts, it may be that Ford did not tell us everything. So let us assume that Buck had a liking for Dallas, and wanted to help her. He arranged that she would be evicted from the town, and thus ended her dubious professional activities. At the same time he informed Ringo about the excellent qualities of Dallas. Thus Ringo secretly posted along the trail of the coach, and managed to join the group along their journey. Is this more credible?

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I have thought of yet another explanation for the proposal of Ringo to Dallas. It may be, that Ringo needs a housekeeper on his farm. He recognized the weak personality of Dallas, and decided to exploit it. Perhaps Dallas would not be very fit for the job, but he could subdue her by means of violence. in the Netherlands we call this type "lover boys".

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I'm not sure if you're comments are meant to be ironic (sometimes hard to tell in print), but if not I'd say you have a serious problem.

"He recognized the weak personality of Dallas, and decided to exploit it. Perhaps Dallas would not be very fit for the job, but he could subdue her by means of violence. "
Only thing I can say is "huh???"

Jessica Rabbit
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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@ Jessica
I guess that you don't see the logic?

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What logic?

Jessica Rabbit
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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@ Jessica Rabbit69
Jessica Rabbit68 wrote:
*** What logic? ***

Sharyn Wolf made an interesting observation with respect to love stories in films (in her amazing guide "Guerrilla dating tactics" - which in spite of its title is equally valuable for your professional activities). It is best to simply cite her, since Wolf likes to play with meta-language. We all base the choice of our words on elusive and highly personal feelings - which is both comfortable and nerveracking for others. But Wolf is especially gifted in this aspect. On p.170 she writes: "Watch Raiders of the Lost Ark or Alien, and it's easy to be sucked into the excitement. No one need to tell you that Nazis and space monsters appear courtesy of the special effects department. You enjoy the adventure, but you don't kick yourself for not having similar adventures in your own life. Oh sure, you might decide to take up a new risk because the movie reawakened your adventurous spirit, but at the bottom of it all, your life won't resemble this movie". I guess that Wolf enjoys teasing, and is effective in using sarcasm. In order to hammer her message into your head, she continues: "We know romance movies are made up too, but they work on us in a different way. There are no monsters or explosions to constantly remind us that this is a fantasy. And for most of us, our hope of finding true love is greater than our hope of finding alien forms of life". (EB: Amazing! I guess that she dislikes pets) "Romance movies depict love like a cliffhanger; at any moment things could fall apart as two people experience rapturous sex marked by chronic ambivalence, overcoming the obstacles, fighting for the relationship, and beating gargantuan odds to be together". I suggest that you read this amazing passage at least three times. Reflect on it. With such a perspective on reality any film script must seem a banality.

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Sorry, but your posts, including the last one, make absolutely no sense. The quotes by Sharyn Wolf are interesting but have no bearing on this love story.

Did you actually watch the movie? I mean really watch? Your interpretation of this film is to say the least odd.

Jessica Rabbit
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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Jessica, if you only learn one thing from IMDb message boards, it's
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

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I guess you have a point.

Jessica Rabbit
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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I think one of the themes of the movie was social shunning and acceptance. When the stagecoach stops for lunch the banker, the wife and the gambler sit down at the big table, Dallas hesitates, Ringo offers her a seat near the others, the others get up and move to the far end of the table.

Dallas is reading the situation as it unfolds, and (bless Claire Trevor) we're reading it along with her. When the others move Ringo says something about "I guess being an outlaw makes you a social pariah", or something to that effect, and makes to leave, but Dallas has him stay.

I've watched this movie many times over the years and I've had different reactions to what's going on - either Ringo is trying to make Dallas feel comfortable (which he does often during the movie), or he's naive about the rules of social shunning.

The movie does rush the romance, but it has to. Ringo and Dallas are the two complete, 'decent' people in the group, even though they belong among the dregs of society. If Ringo is naive, that naiveté gives him a clarity of vision - he sees Dallas for what she really is. So of course he falls in love with him.

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