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WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED TO THE RUINED PLANTATIONS?


I know that some of the shells of burned plantation homes were preserved as monuments to the antebellum South and its loss in the Civil War.
But not all.

So, what were the eventual fates of places like Twelve Oaks and the MacIntosh plantations?
Their owners had neither the money nor the manpower to rebuild the houses and restore the cotton fields.
Was the land eventually sold over to developers who erected mills and factories on those sites?
The Industrial Revolution proceeded at a rapid pace in the years after the war, and a number of planters were forced to relocate West to try to rebuild their fortunes.

Somehow, it's sad to think of a cotton mill belching smoke and pollution where the stately Twelve Oaks once stood.
Not to mention the effect that smoke would have on Tara and other surviving farms.
And the fact that Suellen and Will's children may have to toil in such a place in order to maintain Tara.

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I think some former slave-owners offered former slaves a chance to sharecrop, since they couldn't afford to pay cash for people to work the land.

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Ashley even said in the film, that he would have freed all the Twelve Oaks slaves when his father died...if the War hadn't already done so.






I do hope he won't upset Henry...

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I've often wondered about that statement.
Did Ashley mean that he would pay his former slaves a wage or allowed them to sharecrop if they remained at Twelve Oaks?
Well, maybe some of the Negroes would have accepted that arrangement, but I'll wager the majority of them (especially the field hands) would have left the plantation and travelled north.
And how would Twelve Oaks survive then?
Melanie was right--Ashley wasn't practical.

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Pretty words, but it was rarely so simple.

Jefferson also hoped to free his slaves upon his death, but crippling debts (incurred in part from the lavish renovation of Monticello) made it impossible for him to do so. He did, however, free his children by Sally Hemings. The death of a master was often regarded as a horror by slaves with uncertain futures. Slaves were often parceled off to the households of different relatives, or sold off to pay debts. This would often mean the separation of families, and the possibility of ending up in even more abusive circumstances (out of the frying pan, into the fire).

Similarly, Robert E. Lee's father-in-law, patriarch of the legendary Arlington (not unlike the mythical 12 Oaks in it's Camelot-like, lost cause idyll), promised to free his slaves upon his death. Instead, Lee inherited a string of debts, and was obliged to delay the emancipation of the Custis slaves to keep Arlington afloat. This was a source of consternation to Lee, himself an idealist who favored eventual emancipation, and instead inherited a throng of disgruntled slaves who had learned the hard way that the word of a master was no good.

In fact, the Lees and many other planters (much like the great lords of Britain), found themselves living in a state of genteel poverty, Arlington falling into a state of disrepair...land rich but money poor.

I imagine with the overly idealistic, unbusinesslike Wilkes's, it would have panned out much the same.

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Actually, Lee did free the Custis slaves before Lincoln did. However, Arlington was occupied by Federal troops around the same time, so a pretty empty gesture.

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Is Arlington still standing?
Has it been repaired and turned into a museum?

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It is. It has been restored, and is a gorgeous house...open for tours, I think. Of course, the land around it is now the famous military cemetery. That started when the invading Union army dug up Mary Custis Lee's rose gardens to bury their dead, wanting to force the Lees to confront the costs of the war that (from the Union perspective) they were responsible for. Actually, Lee was an avid anti-secessionist

Here's the house as it appears today:

https://www.google.com/search?q=arlington+house&biw=1306&bih=691&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiImIuNnJrPAhVK0GMKHWhEDDgQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=aF98vSzA2UvgaM%3A

Interior:

https://www.google.com/search?q=arlington+house&biw=1306&bih=691&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiImIuNnJrPAhVK0GMKHWhEDDgQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=arlington+house%2C+interior&imgrc=vo3HWxNdsEDbyM%3A

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Wow!!
It's breathtaking!

I could easily see Mitchell using this building as the model for Twelve Oaks.
Although that plantation must have been an anamoly in the cruder north Georgia.
You'd be more likely to see homes like that in Virginia, Maryland, and Louisiana.

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Yeah, based on such descriptions as are available, 12 Oaks seems to be the most elegant house in the neighborhood. The narration doesn't remark much on the architectural design of the other homes, although the pastel tinted "Mimosa" plantation of the Fontaines sounds like it could have potential. I imagine the McIntosh place as being a rather ordinary "Plantation Plain" house. We know it at least has a brick chimney (left standing after it burns) but as far as I remember that's all we learn about the design of the house. The Tarletons are supposedly the richest and most slave-holding family in the neighborhood, but they're such a rough-and-tumble lot of hotbloods, I can't picture them living in any state of refinement.

Margaret Mitchell may have been thinking of some of the finer homes in the area, such as Bullock Hall in Roswell Georgia, childhood home of Martha Bulloh Roosevelt. Martha "Mitty," a belle of the old school, was known to Mitchell, and it is thought she may have been a partial inspiration for Scarlett. Bulloch Hall certainly doesn't appear to have been the inspiration for Tara, but you could do worse for a prototype for 12 Oaks.

Mitchell's contempt for Hollywood's exaggerated, palatial 12 Oaks is well documented. She probably had something more like this in mind...elegant, neoclassical, but not grandiose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulloch_Hall#/media/File:Bulloch_Hall_Roswell_GA.JPG

This house, also in Roswell Georgia, "Barrington Hall" is actually more how I personally pictured 12 Oaks, a bit more open, with the columns wrapping around the house, and a central hallway running through the house, where Scarlett could see guests milling about in the interior when she arrived at the barbecue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrington_Hall_(Roswell,_Georgia)#/media/File:Barrington_Hall_North.JPG

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There's a picture of "Mitty" Roosevelt on Wiki, and I swear she looked like she could have been Ellen O'Hara.

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Some as you say, remained. Actually, some of the more famous burned out plantations were destroyed by accidental fires before or after the war, such as Windsor Plantation, which appears in Raintree County. Others were probably torn down as safety hazards.

Some of the houses that were left standing were abandoned and fell into dilapidation before bing demolished. Lucky planters managed to sell off the land, but retain the house as a private residence. Most ended up selling, I think, and the homes were sometimes converted into public buildings like schools, or businesses like hotels or bed and breakfasts.

Others still became vacation homes and hunting lodges for wealthy Northerners, who, ironically, romanticized the Old South more than any Southerner. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the New York society dilettante and playwright of The Women, bought a South Carolina plantation house as a retreat. In Edward Ball's Slaves in the Family, there's an amusing anecdote from an African American descendent of slaves about Luce liking to have the local black people gather around the back porch and serenade her with plantation songs...a request they seemed to find a bit quirky and odd.

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Must have been the source of the scene in JEZEBEL, where the slaves gather to sing at the Big House while two men are fighting a duel.
Only difference is that it was the slaves' idea and they didn't consider it quirky at all.

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We still have some standing plantation homes here in Tennessee.
There are a few in Franklin, which you may or may not know, was the place of one of the bloodiest battles of the war.
John Overton's home is still standing and open for tours, as is President Andrew Jackson's home (The Hermitage).
I have toured all these. And although there has been some restoration over the years, these have been kept as close to their original state as possible.
Some of these even have original slave quarters too, complete with artifacts found buried around.
If you are a history buff like me, these tours are so cool.

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And Franklin is one of the most beautiful and charming little towns. The homes, churches, customs. etc. always remind me of how Margaret Mitchell described Peachtree Street in the novel.
And besides the now paved streets and some restaurants, it truly seems stopped in time and easy to think you are in the 1800's. Love that:)
We always look forward to going there and going to the square to eat and sometimes a movie. They still have one of the first Tennessee theaters and it only plays classics (GWTW, Casablanca, To Kill A Mockingbird, Psycho, etc.)
And the homes are absolutely amazing! There are so many, completely restored since the war, and on the historical registry. And each have their own little wonderful history (mostly about the Civil War).
Out of 100's of homes there, there is one we call 'Aunt Pitty's house, as it looks exactly how Mitchell described it.
They have several home tours a year and tickets ALWAYS sell out quickly!
And eventhough I have been there many times, each time I learn more about the battle there and other Civil War facts. Just do much good and bad history. There are battle reenactments and the plantation grounds, where the two troops finally met and fought, seriously gives me chills to walk around and read the facts. Probably st least 25 stops, just related to the battle.
The owners of the place extended their family burial area and buried hundreds of Confederate soldiers. Sadly, some of these are still unclaimed and in unmarked graves.
So many brave women and children are also a part of this amazing town's history. They were true heroes too.
If you love Civil War history,
highly recommend this town. It is
my second favorite town in the whole U.S (Charleston is my first).

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Most plantation houses weren't special or noteworthy places. They were more like large farmhouses with a fancy front porch attached. Only the wealthiest of the planters would have built more impressive houses.

When the war ended, most plantation houses were still standing. Even during the infamous march to the sea, the excesses of Sherman's army is somewhat exaggerated, they tended not to burn houses that were still occupied by the family, but a house left empty was at risk and could be torched. What they did burn were cotton gins, barns filled with the harvest and cotton.

The war, as you know, destroyed the plantation model. The south shifted to the sharecropping model that did prolong the plantations but then the arrival of the boll weevil in the later 19th century, coupled with severe erosion in many parts of the South, brought it all to an end.

The planter class, as the better educated segment of society, often sent their children to school and universities by the 1930s the descendants of the planters often still owned their families' old plantations, but only for the land, which would be rented out on sharecropping basis while the owners lived in town or cities and worked in business or the professions. The big houses were either abandoned or rented out and many fell into decay and eventually collapsed or were demolished. But many still remained.

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I can't recall the exact title, but I saw a new book at my local library on antebellum homes. This was a coffee table book with beautiful photos and some history about the different styles of homes. There were selections from states throughout the south. The book didn't discuss geo politics, but discussed how the different architectural styles were influenced by geography and function.

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And it's something nice about GWTW that a lot of people familiar only with the movie, or even the "Legend" of GWTW without having read or seen it, will miss out on.

Margaret Mitchell's version of the South is what she called a "crude civilization." Not a land of grand, palatial estates, but of comparatively modest, sturdy and functional country houses. She differentiates this from Savannah and Charleston, older cities with colonial architecture, and an established aristocracy...and indeed, if this took place in Creole New Orleans or Tidewater Virginia, we may be having a different discussion.

But the country of Scarlett's youth is not the romanticized South we often see in Hollywood movies, and somewhat lowbrow fiction...with which GWTW, by reputation, is equated.

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The march to the sea through Georgia may not have been as wantonly vicious as popular fiction such as GWTW suggests, but the march back north to Charleston after Savannah was taken was much more brutal.

It is a Neo-Confederate myth that civilian life was directly targeted. Civilian infrastructure was another matter.

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It is sad that a lot of plantation houses were left to fall apart. I'm glad that some plantation houses were turned into museums. Some people were able to afford to keep their plantation houses after the Civil War and use sharecropping to make money to keep the plantations going. A lot of people probably could not afford to keep their plantations after the Civil War ended and abandoned the plantations. A lot of plantation houses were eventually abandoned anyway after World War 1 and after World War 2 when many of the sharecroppers were able to find better jobs in factories in big cities. Without enough people to work in the fields, the owners of the land and houses would not be able to afford to keep their plantations. I wish that more of the plantation houses could have been restored and turned into museums for people to visit to learn about the past and to look at the nice houses.

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Quite a few were saved. A quick search will reveal several of these homes open for tours in places around Natchez, MS, along the James River in VA, Charleston, SC and others.

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I'm always interested in learning how pre-20th century people, rich and poor, lived without the advantages that we take so much for granted: electricity, running water, A/C, flush toilets, etc.

I grew up when there were no computers, cell phone, etc.
Things that today's millenials simply couldn't live without.

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I descend from a planter family in Georgia; the plantation was located not far from where Tara was imagined to be. After the war, the land was subdivided among the surviving members of the family, most of whom began to engage in dairy farming, a much less labor-intensive pursuit. Our own farm continued on as a dairy farm until 1926 (the death of my great-grandmother).
The house was finally pulled down in the 1950's, but the Magnolias that framed the front entrance are still there. There are thousands of Daffodils on the property as well, propagated from their Antebellum ancestors.

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CP, we live nearby in Fayette County and I heard many years ago from an elderly lady (Georgia native) that "Tara" was based on Margaret Mitchell's grandparents/relatives home off of Mundy's Mill Road. The (Fitzgerald) house was taken down in the '80's or '90's, but I did get some pictures of it prior to its removal.

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I think Tara was an amalgam of antebellum houses in Margaret Mitchell's memory. She said once that her grandmother would take her on Sunday afternoon carriage rides to survey the ruined plantation houses in the area. She also cited Lovejoy Plantation in Clayton County as an inspiration.
The website Vanishing North Georgia is a great image resource for antebellum ruins in the area.

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