Thoughts on Amy?


What did everyone think of Amy? I wanted to like her, but I thought she was woefully underwritten and blah (though Bette Davis did have a tendency to make her female co-stars pale in comparison, didn't she?). Thoughts?

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The actress who played Amy could not help but play the part without any real substance or depth because the role was written to be a lesser star opposite Julie Marsden's character. Julie is passionate, rebellious and more interesting than the submissive, quiet Amy. Bette Davis was the star at any rate.

In Gone With The Wind, Melanie Hamilton (Olivia De Havilland) was supposed to pale in comparison to the tempestuous and willful Scarlett O'Hara, but Olivia played the part with more substance and different dimensions. She is somehow able to portray her in a way where we feel interested in her. This was not the case with Amy. I didn't care for Amy and felt her character was flat and boring. What a bad portrayal of Yankee women. I'm sure Yankee women were the real fiery, liberated belles while Southern women were in fact reared to be genteel, sedate ladies and hospitable Christian hostesses.

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You're absolutely right, FloatingOpera7. Heck, one of the most beloved, liberated women in literature, Jo March, was a Yankee! I guess Southern women in literature and film became more popular.

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In reply to the Southern lady comment, I respectfully suggest making a trip down and re-evaluating your thoughts. Having been raised in the south and having lived all over, Southern ladies are generally not to be trifled with. The funny part is that unless you are familiar with the culture you may have no idea what has happened until later.

That being said, "Yankee' women were not well represented by Amy... they hold their own as well. My personal opinion is that Amy was played as she was intended and we were made to feel about her exactly as we did on purpose. Bette is famous for playing those women you shouldn't like, but do. Being her antagonist is not an enviable job.

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I didn't care for Amy and felt her character was flat and boring. What a bad portrayal of Yankee women. I'm sure Yankee women were the real fiery, liberated belles while Southern women were in fact reared to be genteel, sedate ladies and hospitable Christian hostesses.


eh, her being a Yankee wouldn't have much to do with her personality. i'm sure there were such a thing as "fiery, liberated Yankee women", but only those who are already naturally passionate. same thing goes for Southern women. where you are from doesn't really define who you are, personality-wise. the character of Amy just happened to be "blah" and the character of Julie was, well... a Jezebel. this was despite their heritage.

but i digress. i think it was intentional that Bette Davis played a "wicked" character and at the same time, you routed for her. Amy wasn't meant to be likable. she barely had any dialogue. she was good-hearted, but she was uninteresting and annoying, usually. by the time she came into play, you already had lent a sympathetic thought to Julie. i don't think the movie would have worked as well if they had made Amy likable, anyway.

but it's like what someone else said, anyway - Bette Davis always outshines the rest of her female co-stars.

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i think it was intentional that Bette Davis played a "wicked" character and at the same time, you routed for her. Amy wasn't meant to be likable.


Except Julie wasn't wicked. Am I the only one who feels this way? She initiated the Buck/Ted situation but when she realized what it had led to she immediately tried to make it right. It wasn't at all her fault Buck and Ted couldn't set aside their vanity and just had to duel.

I quite liked Amy. She was strong and opinionated, (just pretty enough for Ted's grave!) and certainly not weak. But since Julie is the protagonist and we're supposed to relate to her the most, obviously we're supposed to sympathise with her over Amy.

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Except Julie wasn't wicked. Am I the only one who feels this way? She initiated the Buck/Ted situation but when she realized what it had led to she immediately tried to make it right. It wasn't at all her fault Buck and Ted couldn't set aside their vanity and just had to duel.


that's kinda why i put the word in quotes. if anything, the ending proves that. she's spoiled and at times narrow-minded, but obviously she was in love, and even "bad" people can at times do noble-minded things for those they love.

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Everytime I watch this movie I can't help but think that when Amy steps out of the carriage, that class and a worldly vibe have entered the picture.

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I actually liked Amy. She had a lot of class. She stated her opinions without being overbearing. She was gracious to Julie even knowing that Julie had been in love with her man. She seemed kind, intelligent, and cultured. And she wasn't afraid to disagree with a man.

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I liked Amy, too. And she loved Preston so much she was willing to allow his ex-fiance to accompany him to his and her death, when she would have loved to spend his last living days with her.

I did not like Julie. I watched this film mainly because I was curious about Bette Davis's role, seeing as she won the Oscar. But I felt the entire thing to be mediocre to slightly good, but overall, boring. I did not care for the characters and felt Davis was overwhelming. I think Barbara Stanwyck would have pulled this off perfectly.

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Maybe I wasn't paying attention well enough, but why does Amy let her go with him?

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1) Julie convinces her that she doesn't have the cultural savvy to negotiate for things that will help save her husband on the quarantine island.
2) Julie sees accompanying Pres to the island and nursing him as an act of redemption for her past behavior (which at this point she regrets deeply). Amy compassionately agrees to let her go with him in the end.

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I agree with sharedg's general take on Amy and find it well stated. Her role is relatively limited, not given much depth, and it's thus unfair to compare her to Gone With the Wind's Melanie who has a much more extensive role. I note Floating Opera's point that they seem to be casting this Yankee girl as a genteel lady compared to the feisty spitfire Southern belle Julie. However, Amy herself, although not terribly exciting, actually elicited a certain degree of sympathy from me.

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I thought that the actress who played Amy was woefully undertalented. I once read that, when it came time to film Julie's request to accompany Pres to the quarantined island, there were problems because of this. Margaret Lindsay, who played Amy, could not convey the decision making power that she held as Pres's wife. William Wyler decided to film Julie's imploring speech from an angle that showed Amy's hand and her wedding band, on the banister in the foreground. Then I went back and watched for this....but it wasn't there. It was good casting though. If Amy had been more likeable, we might not have sympathized with the naughty Julie. I really liked the performance by the actress who played Stephanie, the teen belle who obviously idolized Julie. What about that actor who played Pres's younger brother....and killed Buck Cantrell? Does anyone else think that he looks exactly like a young Faye Dunaway?

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LOL Maybe the love child of Faye Dunaway and James Spader.

Amy was purposely written to contrast with and highlight Julie's tempestuous lively personality. And though I don't want to turn this into a GWTW board, Melanie Hamilton is a deeply layered character and a gentle, but powerful force, a perfect balance for finicky spoiled (but loveable) Scarlett. Margaret Mitchell wrote her this way and Olivia DeHaviland portrayed her brilliantly. Not an appropriate comparison to Amy I don't think, though I see why you're inclined to go there.

Someone mentioned Barbara Stanwyck, yipes! I think I may be the only person who cannot stand her. Somewhat harsh and masculine maybe? Would not work at all for me as a southern belle, feisty or otherwise.






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I love Barbara Stanwyck, but think she would have been disastrous in this role. I also thought the story really picked up when Amy appeared. Likeabable character or not, she gave the movie an extra kick at the end. I also think her final confrontation with Julie was brilliant. Whether or not this has anything to do with her strength as a character or the skill of the actress I do not know. But whatever it was, it worked, and I give credit to all the players in the scene.

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I thought Amy was a titmouse doormat. Born and raised to be some man's arm decoration and breeder. My timelines may be off but I got the impression Preston breezed into town, picked a woman and married her within about a month or so. I thought the high class gentle folk generally took things a lot slower with a lot more ritual. What kind of loser was she to marry so quickly?

Plus she seemed so passive in dealing with every situation. The conversation around her decision to let Julie accompany her husband was so weak, I wondered why Julie bothered to talk to her at all.

Like someone else said, Amy wasn't exactly the best representative of Northern womanhood.





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I haven't seen the movie for a while, but Preston was in New York and away from New Orleans for almost a year, I believe. While in New York, he met and married Miss Amy Bradford. In the South, engagements among gentrified folks were supposed to last at least a year. North of the Mason-Dixon Line, perfectly respectable people could and did marry with a far shorter period of engagement. Julene "Julie" is shocked not because Preston married so quickly, but because he married at all, and to a Yankee. Julie thought Preston still belonged to her.

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Amy is one of my favorite characters after Preston. I thought she was beautiful and kind and brave, she spoke her mind when it mattered but didnt go overboard with it like Julie. I can definitely see why Preston fell in love with her. If Preston survived the plague I could imagine both he and Amy leaving the country because their loyalties were divided. Or Preston would have fought for the south because although he wasn't on their side in spirit he had to fight for his side none the less; and Amy would have stayed in the south with him

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I wanted to smack her when she yelled "Are you all savages you southerners?" She was a simp who worked my last nerve.

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I think it makes much sense that Amy is like she is: the sort of boring, quiet girl. She is, after all, the complete oposite of Julie in many ways, and I suspect that's why Pres married her - because she wasn't anything like Julie.

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I saw Amy as an intelligent and pragmatic woman with a quiet strength. I somewhat liked her. Speaking of Barbara Stanwyck, I think she would've been good in that role. Of course, there was no way Bette Davis would let Barbara Stanwyick in one of her features. (In fact, I saw similarities between her and the actress who actually did play Amy.)

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Agreed. Like they didnt have duels up north.

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While many people try to compare Amy to Melanie Wilkes in GWTW, I believe she's more like Mr. Calvert's Yankee wife (who was in the novel, not the film).
She was formerly the governess to the motherless Calvert children, and even after two decades in Georgia, never lost her belief that Southerners were wild barbarians.

BTW, I feel that Preston and Amy were perfectly matched. Both Dillard brothers were dull and colorless, as was Amy.
Personally, I can't see how Julie could be so in love with Pres, despite his good looks.

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