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Who did Preston really love?


Amy or Julie?

Personally I've got to go with Julie. I think that she was lying to Amy when she said that Pres didn't love her anymore--and Amy, poor sap, apparently fell for it. You could see that Pres was still in love with Julie from his agitation, and even dejection, after he returned; but I think that he was completely surprised to find that he did still love her after all. He probably loved Amy in a way, and I think he would have always remained faithful to her because it was a matter of honor--but I think that Julie still really had his heart. It's fitting that the movie ends with the two of them finally together (albeit under horrible circumstances).

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I think he loved Amy. He loved Julie in a different way, as you say correctly. Julie represented all that the South was. Pres was southern and that was part of him, as was Julie. But he also understood that the South was headed for destruction because of its way of life. Two scenes, the one with Buck at the dinner table where they argue about the war, and another early in the movie at the bank demonstrate this point.

Julie was headed for the same destruction as was the thick-headed Buck Cantrell because she would not change her southern ways.

Pres understood that Julie would destroy him, too, as she tried. So Pres left the South because he knew to love it meant to die and he left Julie for the same reason. He fell in love with Amy because she represented all that made him leave the South.

In the end, however, the South and Julie were his first loves. But he was smart enough to know he had to leave that love behind.



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And the wnner is: Julie!

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That was a fantastic explanation and explains things very well. I think Preston loved Julie and she was his first love but like with the south he had to leave it because it was heading off a cliff. Being in the north he came to understand, love, and respect it and realized it was the future. Unlike other southerners who couldnt let go of the past, Preston was able and willing. He loved both Julie and Amy only in different ways, just because the love you have for one person is more visible doesnt mean it is deeper or stronger than another type of love.

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Here is where english is not as flexible as another languages like spanish, italian, portuguese, etc.

I think he "loves" both of them but differently.

In Spanish "to love" can be translated as "querer" or "amar".
"Querer" means to love very fondly. It's a different kind of love, based more on fondness, mutual comprehension, respect, etc. than on pure passion.
"Amar" means to love as well, but to love with pure passion, fire, even pain or rage.

Some poet once said that "Amar is to suffer, querer is to enjoy".

I dunno if my english is good enough to explain the nuances of "amar and/or querer" in spanish. I did my best, though.

In short: Preston "quiere a Amy" but he "Ama a Julie".

In english he simply loves both

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that is one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard. just because you can't think of a word to describe something doesn't mean it does not exist in english. you can't say love is not flexible when you yourself use two different words to describe two different things. utterly ignorant.

with that said, i agree with your assessment. but i do think he moved on from julie, kind of like how he moved on from the south. he represented the changing of times of the south where as julie represented the south's desire to remain the same.



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Why is that so ignorant? The poster was just stating something that he thought he could explain correctly in English. You don't have to be so mean.
(And by the way, YES there are some words in the English language that don't exist. I speak Korean, French, Hungarian, and English, and trust me when I say that there are somethings I just cannot say correctly in English because the expression simply does not exist.)

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what's the point of listing all the languages you know? it has no bearing in this discussion. have you mastered the english language? do you know every english word and their meaning? i doubt it. just cause something is not a commonly used word or phrase does not mean it does not exist, that's all i'm saying. i'm not american either, but this is purely ignorance. often i find that people learn other languages because they some have some sort of complex. "i know many languages thus, words or expressions don't exist", is not a valid argument.


"for the great day of his wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?"

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Uhhh my argument is VERY valid. I know several languages, and since I know many different languages, I know what kinds of expressions are commonly used and which are not. And no, I'm not an English expert but if I've spoken English my whole life, then I should know when some phrase is available to use, and some are not. For example, there is a word in Korean "noonchi" which means "having the foresight to recognize what the appropriate reaction to have is".... uh, I doubt there is a word like that in the English language, is there?

And regardless of whether I'm right or not (in terms of some words not existing in English), there is no reason for you to be so rude.

Oh, and by the way, it's not a superiority complex, I just happen to have many different heritages and lived in many different places. Not really my fault.

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you just proved my point when you said "i know what expressions are COMMONLY used". does this mean you don't know the uncommon ones? this is what my entire argument is based upon. my argument is that there are a LOT of words that have a lot of different meanings in the english language. if you don't know some of the rarer words, how can you possibly say there is no english equivalent? so, how do you differentiate between "noonchi" and "anticipate"?

"for the great day of his wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?"

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Yeah, and I'm saying that phrases and words which are not commonly used are basically useless, since no one actually uses them, or understands them. Also, "noonchi" and "anticipate" are wholly different, there is literally no word in the English language that means "noonchi." Likewise, there is no word in the Korean language that means "vicarious."

In fact, here is a list of 10 words ("noonchi" included, ironically) which defends my point: http://www.cracked.com/article_17251_10-coolest-foreign-words-english-language-needs.html

Happy reading.

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Hey Vodianova, i saw that you posted on Kiersten Warren's boards but like ages ago. I wondered if you knew why she spoke Russian? It says that in the trivia portion of her bio. It's so random. I can't seem to place her to Russian parentage or having to learn it for a movie or or or ??? And I"m finding myself more than mildly fascinated.

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Well done vodianova - this 'vasman' poster is clearly no student of languages!

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The closest English word I can think of is prescient, which means perceiving the significance of events before they occur. It is similar, but not exactly the same, it leaves out the part about recognizing the appropriate action to take. I agree with you that there are many, many words which do not translate exactly.

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That was BRILLIANT! & thank you for the lesson in the subtleties of Spanish. Yes, the English language does have many complexities, but, yes, sometime slacks subtleties. I think you explained the difference perfectly.

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I disagree I think it was Amy who he truely loved. Although Julie was his first love and no one can forget that, he did not come back to her due to her behavior. I think that Preston pitied her. Julie basically did everything she could do to push him away at first and when Preston came back she was still a child to think that things could go back to the way it was. It can't. The damage was already done. Preston and Amy however, you can sense that the relationship between them is a bit more mature because it is apparent that she did not resort to childish behavior like Julie had. I also think that Amy loved him more then Julie could have loved Preston. She could have stood her ground and went with her husband despite all of the hardships but then again she knew that Julie could handle things better with Preston and to care for him. Julie left with him in an act of love and redemption but then again it was Amy who sacrificed her husband for the sake of his health.

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I just watched it again. Always trust the dialogue. Julie might have been his first love, but when he comes back, he no longer truly loves her and has fallen in love with Amy. Julie always loved him more than he loved her.

To Pres, Julie was part of the South, his home and the nostalgic things 'in his blood.' He still and will always love her, but it was in the same way you feel affection for your childhood home. It's close to your heart and nothing will ever change that, but you'd never want to go back there. Amy (and the North) represented that Preston wanted to move ahead: he was liberal and wanted to move forward. Julie was part of the things he wanted to leave behind.

I think it's what makes Julie's sacrifice for him at the end all the more honorable. She's knows she's got no chance with him, but she does it because she loves him, she wants to save his life, and she wants to redeem herself.

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As a writer, I have to disagree with your comment to "always trust the dialogue". Very often characters in plays/films (as do people in real life) do not say what they really mean or flat out lie. What one should "trust" is the behavior of the character in question, not what they say.

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And to bring this around to the subject at hand, Pres's behavior when he returns to Louisiana with his new wife clearly indicate that while he still retains feelings for Julie, it is Amy who has his love and his heart.

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Trust the dialogue is right in this case: the movie is on now. Someone says in the movie that Pres is coming back because of bank business and the yellow fever epidemic.

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I know that Preston loved Julie in the end, though it wasn't particularly obvious.
When Preston was sick at Julie's old house, Julie rushed back to him and tended to him.

And if you listen carefully, though (and turn the subtitles on) Pres is not muttering nonsense in his delirium, but saying (and responding to) the things Julie said to him. To quote exactly this is what he says:

"Yes...blood. That's what is...."
"It's my head."
"It's a part of...."
"Remember...White."

To jog your memory, the first quote, he's remembering when Julie came after him in the garden, telling him that the South is a part of him, just like she is--a part of his blood, and she'll never let him go...that she's the only one he belongs with.
The second quote, I think that's his only coherent words in the scene about his condition.

The third quote shows he's still fixated on Julie, who's a part of him and he knows this. Even unconscious, Pres is talking about Julie and him together.

The last quote is from where Pres sees Julie for the first time in a year, inside the house in her beautiful white dress. She told him:

"Are you remembering that time you wanted me to wear white? Are you? Well until now, I never have." and that entire exchange.
Pres is clearly thinking of seeing Julie again, remembering how much he loves her and how she's come back to him and apologized, asking him to love her again.

It's this scene where Pres is sick, too delirious to put up airs of indifference and too sick to put on the gentlemanly manners that forced him to push Julie away when he kissed her. Like Amy said in the last scene, asking Julie if Pres is still in love with her, since he might not know it himself subconsciously. This scene is the most revealing of all, but is often looked over since you can barely hear Pres and his tortured mutterings.

I can't help but think of Gone With the Wind and Scarlett's scene after she's just had an accident and had a miscarriage, where she's in bed and delirious, calling for Rhett (who she subconsciously loves more than Ashley, whom she always outwardly presses to love) but no one hears her...least of all Rhett. I don't think Julie noticed he was talking to her in his thoughts, in that outdoor scene, finally agreeing with her that "Yes....blood....[you're] a part of me. I remember when I wanted you to wear white. And here you are."

Gotta love that subtle love confession. It's too bad Julie never hears/recognizes it!! :D

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Pres loved Amy; he was merely infatuated with Julie. See my reply to the "Julie/Pres/Bette/Henry No Chemistry" thread.

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Exactly. Preston doesn't love either woman half as much as he loves himself and his image of being a man of the future trapped in a society of the past. Julie represents the South of his birth that won't completely let him go. Amy represents the fantasy of the North with which he is infatuated, but that will never completely capture his heart. Neither woman is quite real to him, though I'm sure he just loves the attention.

But in the end, Preston is really just a fatheaded narcissist and the love of two women is wasted on him.

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