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Dont yell at me but I wish they would colorize


this film. It would be so beautiful. they spent SO much money on costumes and set dressings.

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i have said it
caymandj

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You're treading on pretty dangerous territory. Just a friendly warning. Anyway, I disagree with you completely, but I'm not going to yell at you. Personally, when people try to compare this movie with "Gone With The Wind" I always think that their opposing cinematographies are among their greatest defining features. "Gone With The Wind" shows how stunningly gorgeous vivid technicolor can be, while "Jezebel" exemplifies how effective black and white cinematography can be for creating a more subtle mood, and for conveying color without actually showing it. Think of the famous red dress sequence (The dress was actually bronze because red wouldn't have showed up on black and white film). Regardless of whether or not we are actually seeing the color red, we see a vivid, silver sheen of satin twirling around a ballroom laden with white frills. We are stunned by the contrast and we believe it, or I do anyway. black and white cinematography is a unique art form, especially in Jezebel, because it must affectively communicate a scene that revolves entirely around color with materials that are entirely devoid of color. That's what makes the scene so brilliant. That being said, in the 1930s it was rarely an artistic choice to shoot a film in black and white. Technicolor was a new medium and very expensive, and "Jezebel" was probably shot in black and white more out of budgetary concerns than artistic ones. But they made the best of what they had to work with, and they made it brilliant. At least I think so. Furthermore, I find most colorizations to be sloppy and unconvincing, as if someone let loose a child on a black and white photgraph with a crayon.

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Clever use of bronze dress, yes I knew. I am more interested in the house and so forth. Plus lets face it a lot more kids would watch some of these movies. As I told a friend that was screaming at me about it, Well, we can always just turn the color off the set if it offends you if you HAPPEN to be at MY house and watching.

I would love for them to color Captain Blood and a few others. Not all. But Shirely temple black and whites shure did well with coloring and some werent too bad.

So for the sad public that loves color, just for us

caymandj

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Another one who won't yell at you - :) - but colorizing pieces of art so that kids might be attracted by the pretty colors is like pouring sugar all over sauteed veggies so they'll eat them. Ruins the veggies, and doesn't give them a real appreciation of the true article, anyway.

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I tend to agree with you. Black and white leads us to the kind of imagination we're not allowed in cinema anymore. The first time I saw this film on TCM, the host said that fans would call in complaining that they hadn't aired the colorized version, swearing on how vividly they could recall that red dress . . . The host said there never has been a colorized version, that it was just the viewers' imaginations catching up to their memories. I think that's a beautiful thing. Just let me imagine it.

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I agree completely with your last sentence!!!!!!

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My mom saw it many years ago and there is a colorized version. However it is rarely shown. I think it was shown on AMC before they had commercials and went all modern. I have never seen it myself.

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I wouldn't care to have it colorized, but it is one of the vintage Davis films for which I wish Warners had sprung for Technicolor (MR SKEFFINGTON being another).

"Stone-cold sober I find myself absolutely fascinating!"---Katharine Hepburn

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Hmmm I'm not sure about colorisation either. You wouldn't draw a moustache on the Mona Lis would you? I think putting colour into old black and white movies is a process I violently oppose. Fair enough if the films were originally in colour but most studios could afford Technicolor in the 30s (though admittedly it was an expensive process) so therefore if they had wanted the originals in colour then they would have shot them in colour!

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Hepburner, with the examples you've been setting on this and other Boards, the IMDB audience for classics is liable to start shrinking at an even more alarming rate.

"Stone-cold sober I find myself absolutely fascinating!"---Katharine Hepburn

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I have this film in color! I got it a long time ago off Ebay. Anyways, I thought it was great to see the Scarlett dress in color. It made a bigger impact.

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I agree, only because I think it would be interesting to see the sets and costumes in their full glory. To me, the visuals were the highlight of the film. I agree that black and white films can look marvelous but I think the costumes in those films have cleaner lines or are shot differently. This is a film where I think color would have been a stronger aesthetic choice.

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Are there any posters or lobby cards showing Bette in her scarlet gown? To me, looking at those would be preferable to (ugh!) colorization.

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I think you are right it would be great in color



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Why so many people would love to see it colorized? Because it has been overshadowed by the Technicolor spectacle of Gone with the Wind? Why?

I don't get it. Jezebel is perfect as it is. This movie was shot beautifully in B&W. So it should remain in B&W.
To colorize this movie would mean its bastardization. Only ppl with very BAD taste would prefer a bastardized version over the original.

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I dont want them to colorize and then burn every B & W copy out there. I would just love to see the sets incolor. Lets face it- it does add in some degree. That is why I said "don't yell at me" just a personal thought.

I have a friend with the same oppisite attitude.

I would also like to see Captain Blood in color. That Hamilton Women, Anthony Adverse, Death takes a Holiday, Wuthering Heights.

I think I am more interested is seeing the sets and costumes. So OK- it is my failing as a great film buff.

dj

besides, you can always turn off the color on your set if it makes you feel better. But it would bring in a whole new crowd of younger folk and lets face it-make more money to hopefully support film restoration and protection.

I would love to see a lot more of the "silent" movies. Esp Mary Pickfords unless she managed to get them all destroyed, like she wanted to happen after her death.

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Sorry,

By the way, in no way am I comparing GWTW with Jezebel. Apples and Tomatoes-both fruit-both tastey-both very,thank God, different.

I prefer"J" to GWTW.

Repeat myself. More interested in the sets and how decorated.

ohh, let me get you all going more

Little Foxes.

God love Orsen-he should be tornadoing in his grave. I LOVE that movie!!!! And the sets-real castles-the chance to see the walls and the paintings as they really are!!!!
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Little Foxes was brilliant! To have filmed that in color would have been to miss wonderful nuances. The lighting was wonderful, and I love they way it was used to shoot Davis's face to really show how evil Regina was. Wonderful!!


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I absolutely could not imagine "Gone with the Wind" in Black and White. There is no way anyone is going to convince me it would have been more artistic, or any of that stuff in B&W. It is a fine classic as it is. I do not compare "Jezebel" to it. I like both movies and MY taste would prefer "Jezebel" in color as well. Viven and Bette. They were just awesome!

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I don't care what the B&W die hards say,I think this movie should have been in color. It would not have been any less a classic, and maybe even more so. I am a big classic movie fan. I like some in B&W and some in color. I remember several times while watching this movie I thought to myself, this would be great in color. BTW, it would have been nice to have a few more Bette Davis movies in color as well.

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If this had been FILMED in color, it of course would still be a classic. But to take the work of an artist and splash colors on it to make it look pretty should be a crime. It is destroying the cinematographer's work. As far as turning off the color on your TV, who can do that these days with new TV's; I sure can't! I'm sorry to say this, but I do feel that people who would prefer to see a film altered in this way is the same as saying that the station showing it should just cut 20 minutes out because you feel it's too long. Either way, you're altering the film maker's work. Imagine Psycho colorized? It would ruin the movie. Just appreciate brilliant black and white cinematography, which Jezebel has.

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I have an artsy idea:

What about colorizing JUST the dress?

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I feel that colorization is an affront to the artists who created the film and does nothing but ruin their vision and accomplishment. When I think of the works of William Wyler, the ones that come to my mind first are all black and white...Wuthering Heights, the Best Years of Our Lives, The Little Foxes, The Heiress, Roman Holiday and it has never occurred to me to wish them any other way. Wyler was an extraordinary talent who took the art of film to a whole new level. He even returned to black and white film for The Children's Hour because, I believe, it was most suitable for the material.

Having said all that, part of me always wishes the Olympus Ball scene was in color because of the significance of the red dress. The slash of red against the background of the white dresses when the debs leave the floor would have been so striking. I wouldn't change another frame and certainly don't want the evil colorists anywhere near this film but I do confess to wanting to "see red" in that scene.


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I am in favor of making films available in both "glorious black and white" and "colorized".

And to those who see it as bastardization, let's remember that the reason most black and white films were made in b&w had nothing to do with art, but rather to save money with no idea that we would be watching these film half a decade or more later.

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I couldn't agree with you more vincent - there are so many wonderful films in black and white that just seem to come alive when colorized....some but not all of course...I for one would love to have the choice!

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Thank you!

I think people were turned off several decades ago by some of the garish colorizations that were done. It is a shame they don't take a look at what can be done now.

Vince

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You're welcome! I've seen some really ghastly colorized movies but it really is amazing what can be done now so I'm all for it, starting with the 1938 version of Marie Antoinette!

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I usually disagree with colorizing, but today in 2015, with the technology, what could it hurt? A huge part of this story involves color. I wonder why the entire thing was not shot in color? Was it just a bit too early in 1938?

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