Korngold's Score


Who thinks that the score for Robin Hood is one of the greatest EVER written for a movie? Interested in people's feedback...

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Most definitely.It`s mentioned on the dvd commentary but Korngold turned the picture down numerous times & only accepted as he made his escape to the U.S. ,with his family, as the Nazi`s marched into Austria.Some of the score was based on an opera he wrote in the 20`s but everything fits the film perfectly.Indeed it`s a perfect film really:the forest looks lush & green,the dialogue is sharp and crisp,Flynn & De Havilland sparkle & Flynn & Rathbone crackle.The colour film looks superb as do the sets and costumes-probably one of the most enjoyable films ever made.

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Absolutely, when you listen to the music, especiaLly the final swordfight and "welcome to sherwood my lady" you can picture the action in your mind as you listen....just fantastic

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Korngold was absolutely brilliant. Every time I watch the 3rd movement to his violin concerto (try Hilary Hahn's DVD!) I expect to see Errol Flynn come in and take a dramatic bow . . .

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Goes and puts on her Gil Shaham CD - I can't stretch to a DVD. Hmm, the fast bits sound a bit like fast horseriding, now you mention it.

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I do, and have two recordings of it, although the original score itself isn't on CD that I could find. It's positively aspirational and stirring.

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It certainly is one of the greatest scores ever written. Listen to the Star Wars score and you'll find that John Williams was heavily influenced by Korngold. And did you know that Korngold was saved from the Halocaust because he came to America to write the Robin Hood score? He and his family moved here just a little bit before the Nazi occupation.

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My favorite Korngold score is Kings Row, the main title written by Korngold knowing only the title & nothing more about the film. It is thought he imagined a costumer about royalty. Works beautifully anyway.

Dale

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Definitely one of the best. But I think my favorite Korngold score is the one he did for "The Sea Hawk".

cinefreak

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Some of the score was based on an opera he wrote in the 20`s but everything fits the film perfectly.


The "opera" you're thinking of is actually Sursum Corda, which is a symphonic overture composed in 1919 and performed in 1920 when Korngold was only 23 years old. The work was a failure and was booed upon its premiere but it served as the basis for a number of themes in the ROBIN HOOD score, including Robin Hood's heroic trumpet call, the escape from Nottingham Castle, and the battle inside Nottingham Castle.

Here is the opening section of Sursum Corda, which contains the future leitmotif for Robin Hood:

http://www.screenarchives.com/media/7806-4122.mp3

"I do write my music for people, not for computers." - Dr. Miklós Rózsa (1907-1995)

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Some of the score was based on an opera he wrote in the 20`s but everything fits the film perfectly.

That was a user named 'The Khazi' who said that. Not me. Although now I'd be curious to get my hands on a complete recording of Sursam Coda.

cinefreak



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Not to worry, nateba. I was referring to The Khazi.

Sursum Corda is available for less than $10 on Amazon.com. Just copy and paste the link:

http://www.amazon.com/Korngold-Sursum-Sinfonietta-Erich-Wolfgang/dp/B000REGIQO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1264786015&sr=1-2

It's also available on iTunes, but you'll have to buy the whole album there just to have it because it's 19 minutes long! Sursum Corda is one of my favorite pieces by Korngold. I don't really care for the other piece on the CD, the Sinfonietta, although it passes the time pleasantly.

"I do write my music for people, not for computers." - Dr. Miklós Rózsa (1907-1995)

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I've got pretty much all the Korngold I can get my hands on. "Die Tode Stadt" has provided sopranos and baritones everywhere with one great audition aria a piece. I'm happy to buy another Korngold CD!

cinefreak

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I'm a huge fan of Die tote Stadt and I consider it a masterpiece. Have you seen the 1983 German TV production of Die tote Stadt, by any chance? I wrote an IMDb review on it not long ago:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256443/usercomments-1

I also uploaded the first five parts of this production on YouTube, but my computer is experiencing uploading problems now. Anyway, here's Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7uS14eVX90

By the way, I received Das Wunder der Heliane as a birthday present on Sunday. Very good music, although the weak libretto prevents the opera from becoming a masterpiece, in my opinion.

"I do write my music for people, not for computers." - Dr. Miklós Rózsa (1907-1995)

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Have you seen the 1983 German TV production of Die tote Stadt, by any chance?

I'll have to have a look. I always liked James King. I've seen the New York City Opera production and a rather budget-level production that one of our smaller New York opera companies did here a number of years ago.
Thanks for the tip!

cinefreak

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After I watched the James King performance, I soon bought Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde on iTunes, which has King performing the tenor songs with Leonard Bernstein conducting the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.

Rene Kollo gets a lot of flak for his performance as Paul on the RCA recording of Die tote Stadt. I like both King and Kollo. King's performance is more passionate, while Kollo's performance is more sensitive.

"I do write my music for people, not for computers." - Dr. Miklós Rózsa (1907-1995)

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I'm wating for some company with a major set of cajones to do a double bill of "Ring des Polykrates" and "Violanta".

cinefreak

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Since I temporarily connected to a different Internet network today, Die tote Stadt is now fully uploaded on YouTube. This different Internet connection made uploading much faster than my usual Internet connection.

"I do write my music for people, not for computers." - Dr. Miklós Rózsa (1907-1995)

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Since I temporarily connected to a different Internet network today, Die tote Stadt is now fully uploaded on YouTube.

Excellent! Many thanks!

cinefreak

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Korngold's score for TAORH is now available on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Korngold-Adventures-Of-Robin-Hood/dp/B0000BX5L0/ ref=reg_hu-rd_dp_imgI

There is no reason now to be confused!

Yes, The Adventures of Robin Hood glows even today in its resplendent Technicolor glory with its rich palette of silky, velvety coloured costumes (no matter how corny they might seem for a historically informed audience). Every detail looks inviting, it is totally unrealistic (how could one possibly cook such fancy cuisine, better than in the most expensive Nottingham tavern, in medieval Sherwood Forest? I don't have a clue and frankly my dear, I don't care!) but I love it! Sometimes, I just seek a film that takes me away elsewhere, where logic is no longer an obstacle and realism no longer an issue! A film where what really matters is pleasure of the senses. Is that too much to ask? Nowadays, yes, it seems that every movie director wants to have a say on contemporary issues and send us political messages AND wants to show to everybody that their films represent chunks of reality. This is total manure! The only reality that cinema is showing is more or less strongly distorted, convoluted, transmogrified through the necessities of dramatic rules. So people stop behaving like people and they are A-C-T-I-N-G. Plots stop being a faithful transcription of everyday or historic reality, and become S-C-R-I-P-T-S where virtually anything can happen, even if you want events to be as "realistic" as you would like.

Fiction movies are not supposed to be documentaries and will never become so. People do not always feel like seeing a documentary, and good ones are made according to rules and methods which have nothing to do with fiction movies. If I plan to escape from today's problems and want a beneficial escape to Neverland, most of the time, I will not go for a documentary. Any contemporary "serious movie" that pretends to show realism lies to us and to themselves. Fiction works of art have different sets of rules, and realism is not a law, but merely a choice to try to show reality through the plot of a drama or a comedy. Everybody knows, however, that any such attempts are rather vain choices because ultimately, what we see happening on the screen has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Secret rule #1 for any movie director: Reality sucks ("realistic" directors add this: ... but let's display a few sordid, or dull, or plain, or awful details that look like reality, and people will believe that this truly reflects life)...

I have a truly great time watching a movie such as TAORH, and although it has nothing to do with reality, I still enjoy it immensely and would want more!

Hey, wake up people! Robin Hood never even existed!! So let's just forget about this debate on which is closer to what, and care about qualities that really matter. So the 1938 version IS fun to watch even today for a lot of people (check the IMdB score)? There must be excellent reasons for this. What are they? Now, answers to that question would become really interesting, not a futile comparison with the "more realistic" Costner or Crowe versions...

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Nicely said. I would add only this: It all seems to have started when "film makers" began calling themselves "artists" -- and taking themselves too seriously. The human condition, the "stuff" of drama (previously the product, for most, of legit. theatrical backgrounds) AND entertainment, were set to the side to make room for the more important social instruction "by" the film-school educated "for" the ill-informed masses (the rest of us outside Hollywood). Thus, the "mission" of the artistic elite (look at my bank account!) to "correct" the youngsters -- the targeted audience today. Shock and grisly reality "drive home" the "essential", politically charged messages. . . So there! . . . As you imply, the "dream factory" has become the "progressive instruction manual - illustrated".

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Korngold's score is absolutely superb here, and one of the many reasons why I love this film so much.





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Yes, it's definitely one of the greatest.

One of my favorite parts is when he reworks one of the main themes for the lute music Will plays while Robin and Little John fight at the river crossing. Absolutely brilliant.

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I think the score gave more emphasis to particular parts of the film such as the action scenes. It created more emotion within me as a viewer from watching these scenes due to the score.

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It's one of the greatest scores ever, along with his score for "The Sea Hawk", Alfred Newman's score for "Captain from Castile", and Jerome Moross's score the "The Big Country".

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