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I Know It's A Classic But I've Grown Cynical


It's a great movie, but I've reached an age where I can't see it without cynicism now. Like:

Just one example, his lawyer simultaneously represents those who work against him... is able to immediately get him committed... I'm pretty sure that was considered unethical even back in '36.

Like I said, it's a great movie, but given all the problems with the government at all levels, I have trouble enjoying -any- Capra movies now... again... fully acknowledging their greatness.

BTW: this is probably the only Cooper movie I've seen where the guy appears -human-. Normally he's so stiff he makes John Wayne seem like a Nathan Lane.

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Have you seen Pride of the Yankees? I think that may have been Cooper's most three-dimensional performance.

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Men in general were more tightly wrapped back then. The men in my family were definitely like his personas so maybe that was just s.o.p.

What strikes me more than anything else now is how VIOLENT his character appears to younger viewers. I never thought about it until my kids mentioned how often he just wants to haul off and smack people when he feels offended.

Anyhoo, I haven't seen Pride Of The Yankees in 40 years. There's a new cable channel now that shows only old movies so I'm reliving my youth... when they had an old movies channel on UHF. :D

I just remember 'the speech'.

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People always talk about Capra corn, because the good, idealistic guys always come out on top. They miss that this denouement is set up by the extremely cynical attitude the films always have toward the rich, powerful, and greedy.

As far as Cooper's acting is concerned, he actually was a fairly physical performer in his younger days, but got a lot stiffer as he aged. Cary Grant went through a similar metamorphosis, from the very physical, demonstrative performances early in his career to the restrained, stiff performances of the fifties and early sixties.



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That's a good point. Cary Grant -was- totally over the top as a young guy.

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I don't follow. Why do "all the problems with government at all levels" make it hard to enjoy a Capra movie? Which problems?

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You haven't heard of disfunction and polarisation in all branches of govt?


Why? I came into this game for the action, the excitement... Listen, kid, we're all in it together.

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You haven't heard of disfunction and polarisation in all branches of govt?


Yeah, but what I wondered was why that would make Capra movies harder to enjoy than in decades past.

I think dysfunction has ALWAYS been lurking in all branches of government, and also in 'the private sector', and personal and family relationships, and on and on. The polarization... well, that's been there too (skim the book 'Nixonland' for a depressing historical reminder; nobody ends up looking very good), but lately it IS more extreme in the halls of Congress, and that leads to a lot of the dysfunction-- as in, "We'll hold up the passage of any bills and approval of any nominees to the Federal bench, and even shut down the government, unless we get exactly what we want-- and what we want is for the other side to quit and let us take over, even though they were the ones elected." I'm not gonna say which side is the 'we' and which side is the 'they', because that should be obvious enough.

What sets me off is the almost casual proclamation, in some circles (mostly, but not all, right-wing), that "the government [meaning State, Federal, or both] is just a complete disaster". Or, "What good does government really do for anybody?" These are not just straw-man imaginings on my part. I have seen those very assertions in message boards on this site and elsewhere. And to me they represent sheer mental laziness. Anyone can toss off a line like "What good did (x) ever do for me, my town, my family?" if they never make the slightest effort to look into what different parts of 'the bureaucracy' actually DO.

Most of those parts do function pretty well from day to day; if they didn't, the U.S. would be in a state of nationwide chaos right now, and, despite the hyperbolic hysteria of some online pundits, we are not. If I had a research staff, I'd comb the media for specific examples of Republicans introducing bills-- or slipping amendments in-- to slash the budgets of particular agencies (federal, state, or local) and then, some time after the slashing was done, making a big deal of how ineffective those agencies are. Talk about deliberately creating a self-fulfilling prophecy!

Having said all that... I suspect what you meant by 'not being able to enjoy Capra movies anymore' was, you can no longer muster the feeling of (hard-won) optimism that he wanted us to have at the finale of this movie, or "Mr Smith", etc. And I can understand that. But what struck me last night when seeing some of "Mr Smith" was the world-weary and cynical view of Congress that Capra seemed to have. It's almost as if he were saying, "America, I'm going to show you much more of the behind-the-scenes ugliness of your elected leaders-- their venality, self-aggrandizement, and jaded outlook-- than you've ever seen in other movies. But I'll redeem it all with a happy ending, to make sure that you and I don't walk out of the theatre feeling overly depressed and pessimistic. That's the deal we're going to make." Certainly some things have devolved since the '30s and '40s, but look how bad they were even then, as Capra depicted them!

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