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Does anyone have sympathy for Mildred? *Spoilers*


Allright, Mildred Rodgers was a genuine bitch, but at the end, I felt her fate was undeserved.
She winds up having her child die, ends up getting syphilis or some other type of disease, and ends up dying all alone in a hospital.

Mildred was not a nice girl. She was a promisious self absorbed girl.
But no woman deserves to have her child die and then obtain a veneral disease only to succumb to death completely alone in a dank hospital room.

I felt they went overboard on that.

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It was definitely fitting and it was all her own making-- when you cavort about and continuously screw over the few people who genuinely care about you and want to help you, what else can you expect to happen?

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WHAT? She does not die in the novel!?
Is it weird that I actually kind of liked her (but that's the novel i don't know how bad she is in the movie i haven't seen it...)

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Nope, none. And usually I can find some kind of understanding or sympathy for even the worst people.

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I haven't read the book (need to put it on my to-do list). However, from the film, I supposed that Mildred was a product of her raising. She worked the world according to the examples she had grown up around. Phillip kept hoping if he could just get her to stay with him, he could show her a better way of living, give her some self-respect and self-esteem (and no, bitchiness does not equal self-esteem), but she never stayed around long enough for any change to take effect.

I kept looking at Leslie Howard and thinking, "why are you taking her back again you idiot!" But we all have done stupid things for love, or what we feel is love. Why did Phillip care so much? Because he saw Mildred's possibilities? Because she was so different from other women he had met? Sometimes complete opposites can be very attrative. And while it is more common in women than in men, there is the "Florence Nightingale" syndrome - you get attracted to someone who is "hurt" or "incomplete" in some way and you feel that only you can heal tham, so you stick by them no matter what. Yep, had a few relationships like that.

Phillip is bonded to Mildred by his love for her. Norah is bonded to Phillip by her love for him. Mildred is bonded to her upbringing and living the only way she knows how, and she is also bonded to Phillip because he is her safety net.

Oh what a tangled web we weave... be it deception, love, or life.

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I allowed a woman to be my downfall too. I got myself tangled in her web for almost 14 years before I finally faced up, early last year, to "the facts of life" regarding her ever-worsening character and her tendency to lie even when the truth would serve her better; and that I was enabling her drug habit that she'd taken up in the last few years of our so-called relationship.

I am still paying the price for being so hard-headed, standing by her all those years "no matter what" (while in reality she was using me and taking advantage of me all along). But I have a new lady-love now and I'm not at rock-bottom anymore, thank God.

I'm afraid that the woman I used to (futilely) love will end up like Mildred; but she made her choices and I can't be her knight in shining armor any more.

OHB struck some chords with me and I really could feel for Mildred, but naturally, I identified most with, and had more sympathy for, Phillip.

I wasn't too thrilled with the user-comment that opined that the acting was trite and melodramatic. On the contrary, I was surprised that this film was made in *1934*, during an "early talkie" era where most such films that survive to this day are sadly dated and barely, if at all, watchable. The spot-on performances of Bette Davis and Leslie Howard and the entire supporting cast, IMO, were excellent and timeless.

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Your post is very wise and sensitive- I applaud you for being able to be able to reflect upon what had to be an awful stage of your life with such honesty and level-headedness, I'm sure many in your situation would have allowed themselves to be destroyed by the bitterness and rage such an experience might provoke!

I think while Mildred is a woman of simple thought and education, she's still a complex creature, and I'm glad to see some of these posts that can so perspicaciously acknowledge the destitute circumstances and emotional wasteland from which this woman sadly came.

It's much easier to simply view her as a vulgar, selfish piece of bitter, spiteful white trash. While she is undoubtebly an alarmingly manipulative and greedy woman who consciencously preys upon Phillips' good nature, her world from the start is painfully base and lacking in the bricks and mortar of kind, gentle grooming that makes the soul healthy and crave the mutual joy of respect and love. She knew so little of love that Phillip's seemed probabbly rather alien and amusing. I believe her later tantrums were consequently brought on by her somewhat distorted and newly discovered feelings of affection and appreciation of Phillip once he rescued her for the first time from the streets. However, if one learns hate and degradation before one knows love, it makes it hard to absorb something positive in the natural manner that most of us do. One can only imagination how such foreign acts of respect and kindness felt to a woman who's been used and abused by everyone with whom she comes in contact. Keep in mind too beforfe meeting Phillip, all Mildred had as armor between herself and a cold world was her simple but tenacious pride, and a poignant, unrealistic delusion where all the grandeurs of romance and wealth were hers to be won.
Some Mildreds of the world, no matter how grave their background and hardened their souls, can grow out of their banal existences and become softer, wiser and stonger people who break free from the dark and bleak influences of their lives and find ways to love, feel, connect and succeed. However many don't- and while their hateful projections and selfish acts aren't excused by the indecency they've known, it certainly doesn't make them evil. I did feel sympathy for her too. She was hardly a person whose slick methods and con artistry bettered her in any way- here conquests were trifling in the larger scheme of things, and rather concilliatory considering the inveitable fate that awaited her.


I often do wonder, however, what author Somerset Maugham had in mind when he wrote Mildred's character enigmatically stating that "the baby died last summer".... there's no indication whether the child died of illness or if Mildred left her for dead. I truly want to believe that the child died unintentionally, even if circumstances of neglectful behavior and absentminded care and laziness on behalf of Mildred catalyzed the child's death. However it's sad to say that it's certainly not out of the realm of imagination to consider the possibility that Mildred intentionally did away with the child. That act, despite my empathy towards Mildred's banal and tormented, futile existence, would be nothing short of monstrous and despicable. No situation in humanity, no matter how ugly or grotesque, justifies the murder of a child, and no heart, no matter how simple and deformed, can allow such an act to be executed unless that heart has turned completely black with unforgivable cruelty.


"You're maudlin and full of self-pity. You're magnificent!"
-- George Sanders, All About Eve

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Thanks, dillydoggy54 for the kind words and your further insights. They are almost totally spot-on.

Where I might quibble is that I doubt that Mildred murdered her baby. However, she sealed both her own fate and that of her child by, in an act of spite, destroying Phillip's bonds and going back out into the cold, cruel world where she would become more desparate and destitute than ever. I'm sure the baby got hold of some disease that Mildred's dismal circumstances exposed upon the infant and Mildred had no means to obtain medical help.

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Thanks for responding vindici! It really did my heart good to hear you talk with such wisdom and understanding of Mildred- it's such a shallow copout to describe her, as many do, in words such as an "evil" whore!

And I do believe that by far the most logical conclusion based on her character is exactly what you said- the baby's death being an accident! There was nothing so malicious in her character that would suggest she was capable of murder. Her acts towards Phillip, although outrageous and cruel, were much like childlike tantrums- they lacked any trait of true evil. I think to kill one's own child their nature must be more dark as opposed to just selfish and immature!

Mildred is a much more complex and vulnerable character than many give her credit for being! I'm so glad to be able to share my thoughts with those who understand that!


"You're maudlin and full of self-pity. You're magnificent!"
-- George Sanders, All About Eve

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I think that's why it was so hard for me to end the relationship with my "ex-old lady." She grew up with a warped set of values, I later learned, and was able to conceal them from me (or else I overlooked them willingly) because in other respects she was a good woman; she had children of her own and loved them dearly (until falling in love again with drugs).

It's when her dishonesty with me emerged as her daily M.O. and she got off into meth (and too long a time of forebearance on my part afterwards) that I had to call it quits with her. Phillip's sense of devotion became a lot like mine did until EACH of us lost too much money and self-respect and we came to the realization that there is no saving of any "significant other"--no matter how much we love them and blind ourselves to their dangerous faults--if they are bent on self-destruction.

Thanks again for your kindly-worded thoughts, dd-54.

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The causal relationships, nuances etc in the movie are often somewhat different in the book, because the movie is often a fast-forward version - in the book Phil also returns to Nora, who not surprisingly has got engaged/married, and Phil bonds with Mildred's baby, making her (the baby's) death much worse. I'm quite sure that in the book Philip was "freed" from Mildred before she died. The courtship phase with Sally was fairly long and more like an actual relationship (Sally thought she had accidentally got pregnant), not just "let's get married" "ok, fine".

Of course it's different, since the movie is almost entirely about Phil and Mildred's relationship, while Mildred doesn't even appear until halfway or so into the novel. In the novel Phil has at least two tragical relationships earlier in his life, but still the book is not so much about his love life as choices in life in general (e.g. profession).

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RR0609 replied Jan 18, 2008
"WHAT? She does not die in the novel!?
Is it weird that I actually kind of liked her (but that's the novel i don't know how bad she is in the movie i haven't seen it...)"

WHAT? You didn't SEE the movie?
Then your opinion has absolutely no bearing or credibility on an Internet MOVIE DataBase Message Board!
Perhaps there is an Internet NOVEL Database Message Board where your opinion would matter.
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USAFmedicVET says > WHAT? You didn't SEE the movie? Then your opinion has absolutely no bearing or credibility on an Internet MOVIE DataBase Message Board! Perhaps there is an Internet NOVEL Database Message Board where your opinion would matter.
Thanks for pointing this out; it can't be said enough! I don't know how many times I've had to tell people the same thing. A movie is not the same as the book on which it's based. Even when there's an attempt to stay true to the original story, it's difficult to achieve.

In fact, trying to condense all the book's pages into a script for a regular length movie is almost impossible. A lot of the nuances in the book may be lost while some aspects of the movie script have to be enhanced.

Movies are a visual media. Most filmmakers know they have to make a movie that will work visually on a screen. Their audience will be watching the story unfold; not reading and imagining it. That should be obvious but clearly it's not.


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of course
she was hot

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Yeah I have sympathy for her. She was a slutty bitch, but she was no worse than the men who just left her. Not Philip, but Emil and that other med student. They used her, and then dumped her in the street. The worst thing Mildred was guilty of was taking advantage of Philip.

I also have sympathy for Regina Giddens, Leslie Crosbie, Julie and Jane Hudson.

The Bette Davis character I absolutely LOATHE the most is Fanny Skeffington. What a selfish bitch/slut/generally bad person.

Take us the foxes, the little foxes...

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She was a slutty bitch, but she was no worse than the men who just left her.


Oh what a marvellous point!

I was ready to tear her to shreds but those men are equally deserving of condemnation.

I think it stands out more when a woman is an opportunistic b!tch, because we have this crazy and outdated expectation that all women should be kind and sweet and nurturing and selfless (ha! not in the 21st century!), and we just expect men to be cads so they get away with bad behaviour without so much as a frown.


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I have plenty of sympathy for her. I feel like Philip dragged her down into this, as well as the man who abandoned her as soon as she was pregnant. Even though Philip gave her his love, she had none for him, and she owed him none. It's a central theme of the story that just because one person loves somebody it doesn't mean that love must be reciprocated.

Mildred's death is rather tragic. Yes, she makes mistakes. She never should have gone back to Philip knowing full well that she intended to take advantage of his love for her. She learns twice on screen that loving somebody who doesn't love you back can destroy you but she does it anyway. However, her fate was undeserved.

I have far less sympathy for Philip, who's a standard case of being a "Nice Guy." He should have just left Mildred alone, she made it perfectly clear she didn't like him from the start. But he wouldn't drop it. His misery is just as much his own fault. He gets off far too easy, the only solace I take in his ending is that he clearly doesn't actually love Sally but is going to live the rest of his life pretending that he does. Unfortunately, Sally doesn't deserve that.

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Although Mildred's fate was disturbing, I don't agree with the kind comments about her character one bit on this thread. She was extremely cold and manipulative, acting however it would take to get what she wanted at the expense of other people. (Although I agree that the guy who dumped her after her becoming pregnant was equally awful.) And when she didn't get her way, she had a fit -- yes, Philip's remark was harsh after her attempted seduction, but the truth can hurt, and at least he had gained some self-confidence and put up boundaries -- so she exploded since he insulted her and she set fire to his money (!) - the money he'd depended on to form his future.
Sadly I've known many actual people like her, who will lie, act, manipulate other people to no end to see what they can out of them -- money, whatever -- without a single ounce of remorse or consideration for the other person(s).


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Haifis says > But no woman deserves...
I'm a woman, myself, but I cringed when I read the start of that sentence. It sounds like you're saying a woman should get a pass for her role in what happens to her. I disagree.

Whether it's a man or a woman, if a person's bad behavior and poor choices leads them to a miserable fate, it's their own fault. In a case like Mildred's it's particularly sad because a child was involved, but Mildred was to blame for that too. She started off fine but kept making bad decisions and then missed every opportunity she had to rectify and learn from her prior mistakes. Most people don't get a second chance but Mildred had many 'second' chances and squandered them all.

The only real victim in the story was the child who most likely lost her life due to illness and neglect. She never had a chance or a say in what happened to her; all because she had the misfortune of being born to a mother like Mildred.

I never really felt sorry for Phil. He had a good idea what Mildred was like before he even got involved with her. As I recall, his friend was interested in her and lamented at her nonchalant treatment of him. Why would Phil take interest in someone like that?

Things may have started off in a promising way but once he realized who he was dealing with, he should have distanced himself from Mildred and never associated with her again. Whatever he may have felt for her, he knew she did not reciprocate his feelings. Continuing to pursue her made him seem like a glutton for punishment.

I didn't have any sympathy for either of them. I believe it takes two to keep a doomed relationship like that going. Cutting someone off early on may seem callous and cruel but it often helps them to see the error of their ways. Taking them back no matter what they do gives them the false impression that someone will always be there to bail them out.

I felt they went overboard on that.
Sadly, stories like Mildred's play out all the time in real life so I don't think it was going too far to portray it in a book and movie. In fact, what we saw of her story was pretty mild compared to what Mildred would have actually gone through to get to the point she did. All those things occurred off camera.


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