Deleted scenes


Has anybody seen Miriam Hopkins' nude scene,or the infamous whipping scene? If so, what are they like?

Also, rumor has it that a scene was filmed showing Mr. Hyde stepping on a little boy's face when he was running through the streets.(Hyde did this in Stevenson's original novel). I wonder if this footage will ever be found, or is it lost forever along with the reincarnation scenes from "The Mummy" (1932), the castration of Hercules scene from "Freaks" (1932),the giant spider scene from "King Kong" (1933),the fight with the bear scene from "The Wolf Man" (1941), and the Lugosi/Monster dialogue scenes from "Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman" (1943).

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely, S.B.

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Where did you hear/read about these scenes? Can you please share your sources? I'm very much interested in the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's deleted scenes you just mentioned and would like to know more.

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Hello! I did not write that first message, but I can add something to the information. In the book "The Monster Show" by David J. Skal, he states that stills exist proving the "trampling scene" was filmed. As far as the Hopkins nude scene, there is a film still in a book of mine from the Film Classics Library ( a scene by scene breakdown of the entire movie using stills created from a master print ) that shows this. My extended version video jump cuts at this portion.

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Thanks for getting me off the hook Veturbo! Hopefully all of the above mentioned scenes from those particular films will be located someday. I am not sure what exactly happens in the "whipping scene" from the 1931 version of "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde." I remember reading about it somewhere. "The Monster Show" is an excellent source of information indeed (especially in regards to deleted scenes from classic horror films from the 1930's and the 1940's.) If you haven't done so already, it is a "must read", not to mention a "must purchase!"

Sincerely, S.B.

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Thanks!! I've just bought the Film Classics Library book and I'm definitely gonna get my hands on The Monster Show. Can you please confirm this is the David J. Skal's book? I would just like to be sure before ordering.

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Yes indeed! I am referring to the book entitled: "The Monster Show" by David J. Skal. I highly recommend it!

Sincerely, S.B.

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Thanks!!

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Just thought I'd add my two cents worth again since this is one of my all-time favorite films. David J. Skal has written many great books full of insight and interesting information. I would also suggest "Screams of Reason". A study of "mad science" in truth and fiction. There are references to J & H within. I also found it interesting to re-read the Stevenson novella and find the lines and situations that were put into the movie. I'd better stop... I could go on and on about this movie!

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I think "the whipping scene" is most likely a reference to a brief but kinky fantasy/dream sequence from the 1941 version with Spencer Tracy, Ingrid Bergman and Lana Turner.

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This sound like interesting scenes. Why were they cut?

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The scenes were cut, either by Paramount or MGM (who bought this film when they made the 1941 version), when the film was re-released to the general public, due to the Production Code, which stated no nudity as well as other things that were considered indecent or immoral for the time period. I think Warner Bros, who owns the rights to both the 1932 and 1941 versions, were able to find one or some of the scenes that were cut, though I'm not exactly sure, since I don't own the DVD that came out in 2003 at the moment.

Hope this helps.

~Donna :)

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"A carful of animals and a good dame. Nuts."
~Mace Townsley (Fredric March) ~ Good Dame (1934)

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I have seen a photo sold on Ebay of that scene with Hyde stepping on the boy.
There is another lost scene I've heard of which has Hyde chewing on a bird. I've seen a still of that on a website.

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I have seen a photo of Fredric March as Dr. Jekyll looking into the fireplace and seeing an image of Mr. Hyde in there. Wondering if that was cut from the film or just a publicity shot.

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All the deleted J&H scenes have been restored to the DVD version except the trampling scene, which I believe was Hyde stomping on Mary (the annoying little girl from the hospital scene). I saw a still of it years ago and don't believe it was ever part of the original release version (neither was Mary's scene).

Ivy's nude scene (indeed, most of her performance) was cut from the film after it's initial release because of the introduction of the Production Code. Much of Hyde's scenes were trimmed to comply with the Code mandates as well. The "whipping scene" is almost certainly from the Spencer Tracy version. The confusion may come from the fact that Ivy states in this film that Hyde has whipped her.

"If you don't know the answer -change the question."

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"bok602"...Thanks for clearing up everything!

Cheers!

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I know this is a very late reply, but what do you mean by nude scene? Completely nude or covered up? I've never heard of this.

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Here is the scene. You could supposedly see more of Ivy's body as she climbed into bed. Perhaps both breasts and butt too? As of now, only one of her breasts (from a side-view) is visible, at 3:10. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the "complete" nude scene was printed in a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" book. It was a collection of stills from the movie and published in the 70s. However, I can't recall the title of the book. Hopefully the footage will be found someday and reinserted into the film.

Don't forget this flick was made BEFORE the Hayes Code was enforced. There was nudity and profanity in American movies produced before "the Code" took effect in 1934.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gt9RRabNRY


Sincerely,


Steve :-)


Keep the faith!

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I am a big fan of pre-code films. I just couldn't envision an actress of Hopkin's stature being nude in a film.

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I guess Ms. Hopkins played other racy characters in several pre-Code films.

According to a blog page dedicated to her Ivy characterization:

"Of course, given the story’s savage and primal core, it isn’t surprising that the Pre-Code treatment would be a satisfying one. Hopkins’ character works in a dance hall. (We all know what that means.) And just as I teased last week, our spotlighted star has finally captured and focused her inner heat. She’s absolutely scintillating on the screen — she likes and wants sex (with the doc, not the monster — though that can still be argued). It’s undoubtedly Pre-Code, excellent for the narrative, and exciting to watch. (I haven’t seen the 1941 film adaptation made under the Code, but one can imagine it suffering in comparison due to a lack of this lasciviousness — which I think is paramount [get it?] to the film and its themes.) Unlike last week, Hopkins definitely has the best female role here, and she makes the most of it."

Sincerely,


Steve :-)


Keep the faith!

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Yeah, I've seen her in a lot of pre-code films like Temple Drake and she's a great actress. (I think she was Oscar worthy in Jekyll). But never nude.

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Read the last paragraph on the "Alternative Versions" page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022835/alternateversions?ref_=tttrv_ql_5

And here is the book that features stills of the nude scene:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-DR-JEKYLL-MR-HYDE-Film-Classics-Library-V G-256-pgs-Horror-All-Photos-/301210774045?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&ha sh=item46218faa1d

Sincerely,


Steve :-)


Keep the faith!

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I'm gonna need proof. Can anyone post a photo from the book? I still can't think of any other actress of that era, except Hedy Lamarr before she became famous,who would have done that.

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And Steven, maybe you can answer my other question since nobody else can. Hyde says "I AM JEKYLL" before he kills Ivy on the VHS and 35MM print, but on the DVD and TCM all he says is "I AM..." The name Jekyll has been removed somewhere between the 80's and 90's. WHY?

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Perhaps the reason why you can't hear Hyde say: "Jekyll" anymore is because the film elements are starting to disintegrate. According to many sources online, the movie was "missing" for decades. "Missing" films are not always well-preserved. MGM purchased it while they were filming the Spencer Tracy remake in 1941. Don't forget there was no TV, DVDs and Internet back then. Shortly after they premiered, movies were reissued in theaters approximately very 7-9 years. MGM wanted the public to "forget" the March version and focus only on the "current" one with Tracy. The studio executives seized all copies of the March film in order to make sure they weren't re-released in any theaters. If memory serves, the March version wasn't shown to the public (post 1931) until it was rediscovered in a vault somewhere during the late 60s.

As far as the Hopkins nude scene is concerned. If you watch the clip I posted, you notice a "jump cut" occurs in between Ivy standing up and lying in bed. I highly recommend that you buy the March DVD. Her nudity has been reinserted for your viewing pleasure. When you view the DVD, you shall receive your "proof."

More trivia about the March version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Jekyll_and_Mr._Hyde_%281931_film%29

http://pre-code.com/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-1932-review/

http://pre-code.com/famous-pre-code-actresses/miriam-hopkins/

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews5/jekyllandhyde.htm

Sincerely,


Steve :-)


Keep the faith!

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Is this the DVD version you're referring to? It seems to be the only one available now. Pretty steep at $60 too.

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This is the DVD I believe:

http://www.amazon.com/Jekyll-Hyde-Double-Feature-1932/dp/B0000EYUD4/re f=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1410760907&sr=1-1&key words=Dr+Jeckyll+and+Mr+Hyde

If you buy a used copy, the price will be much cheaper than $60.00.

You can also rent it as a "streamed" movie for $2.99:

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Jekyll-Hyde-Frederic-March/dp/B0014C5HUQ/ref= sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1410760907&sr=1-2&keywo rds=Dr+Jeckyll+and+Mr+Hyde

I'm not sure how you would go about renting it as a "streamed" movie. More research would be required.

Please let me know what option you choose and if you receive your "proof."

Sincerely,


Steve :-)


Keep the faith!

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