Lizzo plays a flute and conservatives lose their minds. - Lizzo Discussion

[–] hitfan (219) a year ago

I'm a conservative and I think Lizzo is hot.

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

Yet when Donald Trump does pretty much anything, leftists lose their mind

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

Like when Trump had his gun grab?
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

Or proposed gun confiscation without due process?
Watch at 45 minutes. https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/white-house-meeting-community-school-safety&fbclid=IwAR0xAwExW3Osl30FNdfLdm1Xhd3vyza1__CrEmLYFgImz7ogsCWXKfP6wn4

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

What’s your point?

First of all I’m not watching a 45 minute video nor am I reading a 41 page document (sounds like you’re trying to document dump on me) but even if you proved that the right disagreed with him on one point, that’s a drop in the bucket in comparison to you people who literally flipped out because he had too many scoops of ice cream. Even if I concede that you’re right about his “gun grab” it wouldn’t change anything.

Also at best you proved 2 people “lost their mind” over Lizzo playing a flute and that’s being incredibly generous. I have watched Matt Walsh multiple times and he comes across as very rational and level headed so I’m not sure that constitutes “losing his mind”, unlike you people and and your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

Who is "you people"? How is it you seem to be completely unaware of Trump's anti-gun agenda?

The video, 45 minutes in, shows Trump pushing for gun confiscation without due process. If you oppose losing your private property without due process, this just means you are a sane and rational person.

The other link is a searchable pdf file on Trump's gun grab. MAGA like to claim that the ATF went rogue, or that Trump had to grab the guns, or that Biden did it. But if you search for the word president in that pdf, you will see that Trump actually ordered the ATF, in 2018, to write a rule to amend 27CFR to accomplish his gun grab.

Who flipped out because someone had too many scoops of ice cream?

Matt Walsh is a racist, that is never rational.

The only person in this thread that claims anyone is losing their mind, is you.

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

You Trump haters. I suggest you grow up and learn how to take it. The Democrat party literally wants Trump supporters to be murdered, it would seem you would be able to deal with being called “you people”.

Also I noticed you refused to cite the exact quote that proves he tried to confiscate legally owned guns and you also refused to explain how this is relevant to the discussion. Basically I’ve proven that you will flip out when Trump does anything and your retort was “but but Trump tried to confiscate guns” which has absolutely nothing to do with what you are pathetically trying to respond to. I’ll ask again: how is this relevant? Even if conservatives “flipped out” over one thing Trump did it’s still irrelevant because they aren’t flipping out over everything Biden, Lizzo or any other far left Democrat does. Learn how to stay on topic.

Show me one quote Matt Walsh said that was racist? It’s odd that you would attack him for allegedly being racist when the Democrat Party is literally the party of racism and hate. It’s just an odd stance you have. If you vote Democrat then I’m convinced you have no right to call anyone racist.

I’m not losing my mind at all, all I’m doing is asking that you back up the nonsense you keep peddling.

Also why are you complaining? I thought you people hated guns? You’re just further proving my point that you’re just a blind Trump hater and you won’t even give him credit even when he does something you agree with. Calm down, take a deep breath, relax and seek help you loser.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

You posted, "Yet when Donald Trump does pretty much anything, leftists lose their mind". I responded by suggesting that leftists might have lost their minds over Trump's gun grab.

I'm not a democrat, so why would I be happy with you calling me "you people".

Like I said, the pdf is searchable. Just search for the word president to see how Trump initiated his gun grab. This is so easy, but you're trying to make it hard by pretending to be stupid.

On February 20, 2018, the President
issued a memorandum to the Attorney
General concerning ‘‘bump fire’’ stocks
and similar devices. Application of the
Definition of Machinegun to ‘‘Bump
Fire’’ Stocks and Other Similar Devices,
83 FR 7949. The memorandum noted
that the Department of Justice had
already ‘‘started the process of
promulgating a Federal regulation
interpreting the definition of
‘machinegun’ under Federal law to
clarify whether certain bump stock type
devices should be illegal.’’

Surely you understand racists can exist anywhere, and in any party? In the link I provided on Walsh's X post, he makes an accusation of racism that is really one of his confessions.

I am backing up my claims, but you're telling me that you're to stupid to see the truth when i post a link to it.

"You people" again? I'm not democrat or republican. I'm a retired Sailor, former gun dealer, I make silencers and SBR's as a hobby, I lobby the state legislature to ease restrictions on firearm use and possession. Trump's anti-gun agenda is just another reason to oppose him.

Part of the problem is that you think it is not anti-gun, not rape, not theft, not a lie, not treason and not fraud when Trump does it.

If I hate guns, then why am I doing this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmwS1qrzy_0

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

You are clearly far left so therefore the “you people” label stands. And you people lost your minds when he had too many scoops of ice cream so my point stands.

That exact quote is hearsay, show me the bill he tried to enact or the quote he made saying he would seize legally owned firearms. All your quote says is that there is a memorandum. May I see this memorandum?

LOL, so him probably rightfully accusing others of racism means he’s a racist? You’re just connecting the dots in the direction you want them to go because you already decided Matt Walsh is a racist (which you have failed miserably in proving).

You aren’t backing up your claims, I asked you to back up that Trump tried to seize legally owned firearms and you showed me a quote saying there was a memorandum. I asked you to prove Matt Walsh is a racist and you provided a quote that didn’t suggest he was a racist and instead put your own biased spin on it. You’re shoving a square peg in a round hole.

And your posts have proven you are nothing but a far left radical, I will continue to call you “you people”. Again the far left literally wants Trump supporters dead, you should be able to handle being called “you people”. You literally falsely accused Matt Walsh of being a racist, you love to dish it out yet have a hard time taking it.

Trump does not have an anti-gun agenda. If he did then the far left would have worked with him and joined him in trying to seize guns while he was in office. You’re a liar.

No the problem is you people and your leaders are a bunch of anti-American, far left radicals, Trump is not. Trump has not done anything close to the level of you people. False equivalence.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

Who had too many scoops of ice cream? WTF is that about anyway?

If you're talking about Trump's "take the guns 1st" crap, it is in the C-Span video I provided. Go to the 45 minute point of the video. It only takes a minute to see how Trump wants to eliminate due process when seizing guns from Americans.

I don't have a link to the Trump memorandum, but the Trump administration says is was issued. Do you think the Trump minions were lying? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

How else you explain Trump's bump stock ban? Congress did not ban them.

So Trump's gun grab and push to confiscate guns without due process is not an anti-gun agenda? If Biden did this, would he be anti-gun?

Biden ordered the confiscation of forced reset triggers the same way Trump did for bump stocks. He simply declared them to be contraband machine guns. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/open-letter/all-ffls-mar-2022-open-letter-forced-reset-triggers-frts/download Are you claiming that this means Biden is not anti-gun?

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

There you go: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/trump-time-magazine-ice-cream/index.html The far left losing their mind because the man had too much ice cream.

Also I’ll ask again: How is any of this relevant? Not only have you provided me zero evidence that he ever tried to seize a lawfully owned firearm, but even if you did prove this it would still be 100% irrelevant. Also banning the sale of bump stocks and seizing legally owned firearms are not the same thing, you’re intentionally being dishonest.

Also your link does not connect any kind of gun ban to Donald Trump and it’s also dated 2022: Now who was president in 2022?

Your other link also says that President Trump was trying to get ILLEGAL guns off the street which he should. That’s not a gun ban, you’re a liar.

You never answered my question: Are guns good or not? You people seem to hate them yet when Trump allegedly tries to ban them you lose your minds which only further proves my point.

EDIT: On an unrelated note you called suppressors “silencers”, I don’t believe you’re a gun dealer.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

I don't care if anyone eats ice cream or how much. Does this mean I'm not a leftist or any other "ist"?

Here is the memo Trump issued ordering the ATF to seize bump stocks. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/trump-signs-a-memo-telling-attorney-general-sessions-to-ban-devices-that-turn-weapons-into-machine-guns.html

While bump stocks were merely an accessory prior to 2018, in 2018 they were classified as machine guns. It sounds stupid, but that is how Bush grabbed spring loaded bump stocks in 2006 and Biden grabbed forced reset triggers in 2022.

The link to Biden's gun grab above was simply put there to compare to Trump's gun grab. I even stated that in my post. Do you oppose any gun grab no matter who does it?

You mean this link? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule Bump stocks were legal until Trump got the ATF to declare them contraband. What else do you want Trump to declare contraband?

I like guns. I have a large gun collection that I enjoy shooting. My people (Americans) generally enjoy our firearms. Here is a silencer I made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmwS1qrzy_0

I am not a gun dealer. I'm a former gun dealer, from 1990 to 1994. I went out of business after the SOB Clinton was elected and when Hawaii enacted a regulation restricting their state gun dealer license to those in business zoned areas. The ATF licensed me to sell guns from my home address only.

It is my experience that the only people who make a fuss over the word silencer are those who don't really know anything about gun control law in the USA.

Educate yourself here. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/federal-firearms-regulations-reference-guide-2014-edition-atf-p-53004/download

The CGA of 1968 Title 18 Chapter 44

(24) The terms “firearm silencer”
and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm...

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

The far left lost their mind over him having too many scoops of ice cream so my point stands.

You posted an article saying there was a memo, that’s again hearsay.

Banning the sale of bump stocks and seizing legally owned firearms (gun grab) are not the same thing, you’re intentionally being dishonest. I still have not seen any evidence Trump tried to initiate a “gun grab”, if he had then the entire far left should have been right behind him but it seems that you people weren’t which is odd, either that or you’re lying.

It’s called a “suppressor”, I don’t believe that you are a gun dealer.

Oh so now you’re a “former gun dealer”, the story keeps changing, how convenient. And any gun dealer, former or not would know it’s a “suppressor”, I don’t believe you were at any point in your life a gun dealer.

So again are “gun grabs” good or not? Your stance seems to be they are good when anyone other than Donald Trump does it. Thanks for proving my point.

Also you never answered my question about how any of this is relevant. You’re an intellectual coward.

EDIT: I also noticed how you seem to have dropped the claim about Matt Walsh being a racist you coward.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

What do you care about what the "far left" thinks? I don't really give a damn what they think.

Here is your memo. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/23/2018-03868/application-of-the-definition-of-machinegun-to-bump-fire-stocks-and-other-similar-devices

Democrats for the most part did not oppose Trump's bump stock ban. They were hoping for a ban anyway.

Why are you restricting the definition of gun grab to seizing illegally owned firearms? I define a gun grab as the government requiring the confiscation of guns that were legal to own in the past.

I called myself a former gun dealer from the start. You're the one who claims otherwise.

You are free to call gun mufflers anything you want, including suppressors. But federal law calls them silencers and mufflers. You get some kind of kick out of thinking that you're the one who defines what a firearm is and not the US Code?

I made it plain above that I oppose gun grabs no matter who does it.

I asked you if leftists lost their minds over Trump's gun grab. You replied.

I think Walsh is a racist and you have not posted anything to convince me otherwise. Until then, I have nothing else to say.

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

The memo is talking about bump stocks, not guns. You said that he tried to “grab guns” therefore you’re a liar.

Your own source said he wanted to get “illegal guns” off the streets proving you lied. If it’s an illegal gun then they never should have had it in the first place. Also I never said I agreed with Trump on everything which makes this a very odd position you’re arguing. Trump was not perfect but he’s certainly more qualified and a better candidate than anyone the Democrats have to offer so yes I will vote for him.

You were never a gun dealer at any point in your life, quit lying.

Barely anyone in the gun community uses the term “silencers”, almost everyone uses the phrase “suppressor” which again leads me to believe that you were never a gun dealer. I bet you also call “magazines”, “clips”.

It’s not my burden of proof to prove Walsh isn’t a racist, it’s your burden of proof to prove he is. Clearly you don’t know much about common logic.

I was right the whole time, anytime Trump does anything, like having too many scoops of ice cream or even something you agree with you people “lose your minds”, so get over whatever anyone may have said about Lizzo. And on a side you said that “conservatives lost their minds”, and at best you cited like 6 people. That’s pretty bigoted of you to lump half the country together like that.

In all honesty though I have a question for you: What is wrong with you? I have been very rational and impartial but you seem to be a very far left radical, not to mention a very unstable and disturbed individual. You need help.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

What part of "bump stocks are machine guns" do you not understand?

The Department of Justice is
amending the regulations of the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bump-
stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
devices with certain similar
characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’ as
defined by the National Firearms Act of
1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968

Just because Trump said, prior to his ban, that bump stocks are illegal did not make it true. The Obama administration repeatedly said bump stocks were legal. Trump decided to disagree to get his own gun grab. Bump stocks were only illegal when Trump decided to make them illegal in 2018.

Obtaining an FFL prior to 1994 was easy. If you were a US citizen, at least 21 and could own a gun and submitted the application properly, you got the license. It was so easy. Why would you not believe anyone who claimed to be an FFL? It was easier than getting a river's license, not testing at all.

Today it is a bit more involved. The ATF drops by your place of business for an inspection and interview. It is still not very hard to get the FFL, or so I've been told.

You are right, hardly anyone in the gun community uses the term silencer. But the vast majority of those in the gun community do not try to correct those of us who do use the term. Hardly anyone gives a crap. While the word silencer is a legal term (do you agree), the word suppressor better describes what it does.

I did not ask you to prove Walsh was or was not a racist. I think he is and that is enough for me. You are the one with a problem.

I did not know Trump was eating ice cream, so why are you saying that I "lose my mind' over it?

You have not been rational or impartial. You assumed I am a leftist when I am actually much more conservative than Trump. You deny the existence of federal laws and regulations that show Trump is a gun grabber, even after I post evidence to support it.

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[–] KingBob (2254) 8 months ago

I showed you a literal definition of a “gun” and bump stocks and suppressors do not fit the criteria. Again you can’t blow someone’s head off with just a bump stock.

Paragraphs 2-5 are all non sequiturs, you’re responding to things I never asserted.

If you can’t prove he’s a racist (which you haven’t) then you’re committing slander by calling him one. You should post what you said on his channel and apologize, at least you would if you had anything resembling integrity.

I said the far left lost their mind over it and I proved they did. In 2018 I’m sure you were leading the charge against him for eating too much ice cream.

I am very fair and impartial, you are far left. Did you vote for Biden? If you did then you’re a liar by saying you’re further to the right than Trump.

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[–] Ranb (9779) 8 months ago

You showed me the "KingBob" definition of a gun. The actual law I'm quoting below does not agree with you.

If you were accused of bump stock possession, would you tell the court to dismiss the charges because a bump stock is not a gun?

GCA 1968 title 18 chapter 44

The term “firearm” means
(A) any weapon (including a starter gun)which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
(D) any destructive device.[/quote]
Notice how the law says a silencer is a firearm?

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-447/subpart-B/section-447.11
[quote]A “machinegun”, “machine pistol”, “submachinegun”, or “automatic rifle” is a firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. .... The term “machinegun” includes a bump-stock-type device....

The last sentence in the quote was added by the Trump administration.

A device does not have to be able to shoot a bullet to be a gun, in the United States. It is crazy, but true.

You claimed I was never a gun dealer. I was describing how it is so easy to be a licensed gun dealer prior to 1994, it is believable when a person claims they are. If I showed you a copy of my FFL, would you believe me then or claim it was fake?

I have already claimed Walsh was a racist elsewhere on this forum. I would be lying if I claimed Walsh was not a racist.

Why would I be aware of Trump eating ice cream?

I did not vote for Biden. Biden is an anti-gun freak; so not getting my vote. There are other reasons too.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 8 months ago

What gets to me is not that she plays it at all but when she is on stage she blows like two notes into it, which ANYONE can do and the audience goes that ape shit over it.
What a bunch of dumb fuck heads.
What she did was not impressive at all.

And now the fat bitch is being a cry baby and quitting after treating those around her like shit.
Good riddance to this fatso.

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