Do we have any hard evidence that Putin ordered this hit?
shareNo
shareThere's no doubt about it.
share>>>There's no doubt about it. <<<
I think it's "possible" Putin called for this hit job but do we know for certain he did? No...
He imprisoned him & put his life in peril. He previously attempted to poison him. Connect the dots, he killed him.
shareSo, it's an assumption that Putin caused his death. ok...
shareYou don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to come to that conclusion.
shareAnd did you know over 70 people that were close to the Clintons have died mysteriously? The most recent one was Jefferey Epstein.
Here's a link about it.. https://humansbefree.com/2019/08/list-of-71-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-or-committed-suicide-before-testimony.html
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes, well, you know the rest...
I'm assuming the only reason Trump is still breathing is because he doesn't have any dirt on the Clintons.
The point is, if you're going to accuse someone of calling for a hit, you need really strong evidence. What good does it do for Biden to get on the world stage and basically say Putin killed Navalny? Is that supposed to improve relations with Russia and help stabilize the situation in Ukraine?
And did you know that aggressive Russia invaded Ukraine?
And did you know that Navalny isn't the first Putin opponent who died mysteriously?
The flaw with these sorts of studies is that, if you wanted, you could create an "Obama Death List" and produce dozens of names with people associated with, or indirectly associated with the Obamas who were killed in random criminal events, or who committed suicide or just crashed their car or something. Presidents tend to employ and contract and meet a lot of people over the years, just through the party they're in and the relationships they have to make. You could attribute any accident or crime to any Democrat politician in the 1990s as caused by the Clintons by this logic.
Many of the names in that list were not really people "close" to the Clintons at all.
You replied so nicely 3 mins after me, dear Skavau. 🤩
shareI don't really buy into all these people getting killed by the Clinton's. It's a Conspiracy Theory, kinda like Putin killing Navalny is a CT as well.
Although, it is suspicious, we would need some pretty hard evidence before we can say for sure that Putin called for a hit.
>I don't really buy into all these people getting killed by the Clinton's. It's a Conspiracy Theory, kinda like Putin killing Navalny is a CT as well.
I don't think Putin did kill (order the killing of) Navalny. I suspect it was just a culmination of horrific prison conditions. Or it was just some rogue actor within the prison/state who did it, and knew they could. But Russia is known for repeated politician, activists, businessmen, dissidents and journalists deaths. From poison, jumping out of windows, to being shot in the street.
>>>Russia is known for repeated politician, activists, businessmen, dissidents and journalists deaths. From poison, jumping out of windows, to being shot in the street. <<
Yeah, not much different than the things that have happened to Clinton associates.
Odd deaths happen all the time. Some are hit jobs, some are just rogue actors taking matters into their own hands, and some are just people simply dying. We'll see how this turns out, as I stated, it is quite suspicious, but at this point, it's hard to say for sure exactly what was the cause of Navalny's death.
Still, Biden basically saying in a press conference that Putin killed him is kinda dumb.
>Yeah, not much different than the things that have happened to Clinton associates.
Again: The flaw with these sorts of studies is that, if you wanted, you could create an "Obama Death List" and produce dozens of names with people associated with, or indirectly associated with the Obamas who were killed in random criminal events, or who committed suicide or just crashed their car or something. Presidents tend to employ and contract and meet a lot of people over the years, just through the party they're in and the relationships they have to make. You could attribute any accident or crime to any Democrat politician in the 1990s as caused by the Clintons by this logic.
Calling many of those people "Clinton associates" in that list (I scrolled down some of it) is a stretch. In comparison to the USA, there is no independent media. Russia has shut down all critical anti-Kremlin media outlets. Speaking against the "SMO" is illegal. Name me an opposition activist currently working publicly in Russia right now.
>Odd deaths happen all the time. Some are hit jobs, some are just rogue actors taking matters into their own hands, and some are just people simply dying. We'll see how this turns out, as I stated, it is quite suspicious, but at this point, it's hard to say for sure exactly what was the cause of Navalny's death.
I'm not specifically talking about Navalny here. Call me when the USA has Republican senators or notable reporters from major media outlets shot in the street or jumping out of windows.
I know free speech is not something they have in Russia, which is why I'm glad I live in the United States, a country where we don't kill or imprison our political opponents and we can say negative things about our goverment. But still, it's too early to say what happened in the case of Navalny, which is what we're talking about here. Just so you know, the topic is "Putin killing Navalny" not state officials jumping out of windows.
I brought up the topic of Clintons as just a point to be made. And like you said, we could come up with "death lists" all day long, but without evidence, we're just guessing.
Alexei Navalny had about 2% of the votes and was no real contender to Putin.
A former lawyer, Navalny rose to prominence with blogs which exposed what he said was vast corruption across the Russian elite, describing Russia as ruled by “crooks and thieves”.
He lampooned President Vladimir Putin’s elite and exposed some of the opulence of the lifestyles of senior officials, using the internet and even drones to illustrate what he described as their vast holdings and luxury property.
Russian officials cast Navalny as an extremist who was a puppet of the U.S. CIA intelligence agency which they say is intent on trying to sow the seeds of revolution to weaken Russia and make it a client state of the West.
Your biggest mistake is that you try to find some logic and common sense in anything that crazy dictator putin does. There is never any sense. He is delusional mentally ill maniac. Who kills his own people. puts them in prison, psych wards.
They put 75-80 years old grannies to prison for 5-10 years for simply saying they are against war or liking anti-war posts.
And they did it during USSR years. Millions or russians and other people of USSR were thrown in prison or executed for being "not loyal" to communists government. Many of them did not even had some opposition views. Their neighbors or family wrote a denunciation on them for personal petty reasons. Some wanted rooms to live in, some had personal beef for other reasons. And bam - innocent people go to prison for 15 years.
Nothing changed in russians since. They still imprison each other for no reasons.
putin put in prison that girkin guy who shot down passenger plane. Simply because girkin was saying that putin is not violent enough and must be more aggressive. putin saw it as personal attack and threw his loyal patriot in prison. He will probably die next.
Crazy dictators are very envy and petty people. They keep killing just because they can. putin hated this Navalny guy for being opposition leader. Even if his followers are not that big - he still saw it as a threat and eliminated him. Like he killed prigozhin too.
Oh god, not the Ukrainian bot again.
shareHello there Major Ivan. You came here to lick putins feet again?
shareMeh, no sane American likes Putin. But Navalny was a nationalist and if he had ever taken power, he would have been tougher on Ukraine than Putin.
shareThis hasn't been true since 2010 regarding Navalnys foreign policy
shareIn power he would have had to deal with issues of Russian separatists in the Donbas, and Ukrainian oppression of its Russian minority. He wouldn't have winked and nodded at Ukraine joining NATO either, or the Biden family taking up residency in Kyiv.
shareHave you actually seen what he's said regarding Ukraine since 2010?
>or the Biden family taking up residency in Kyiv.
Residency?
It was a "what if". If Navalny led Russia he would have to deal with American intervention in Ukraine and Ukraine's flirtation with NATO.
shareThis would depend on *when* he led Russia. Keep in mind an entirely different political party would be the dominant party in the Kremlin. It's not as if Navalny would suddenly with the Presidency and all the same people surrounding Putin would all be in high office.
shareI thought you misspoke the first time when you called him Navatny. But you keep doing it. So I assume you don't even know his last name. LOL.
"American intervention in Ukraine" is the most hilarious surreal thing I hear from trumpists. nazi russia literally invaded Ukraine, bombs it and steals territories.
Crazy trumpists: "American intervention in Ukraine". LOL.
LOL. First - he would never be in power. His real popularity among russians was never above some 5%. If putin would die and there would be real fair elections - he would not win. He had some fanatical supporters who would run around Twitter and be loud. But majority of zombie russians mostly despised him.
If somehow he would actually became president of russia - he would do nothing when Ukraine would retake it's territories. As he was obsessed with glory and respect from the West.
There was never any "Ukrainian oppression of its Russian minority". LOL. There was "russia invaded Ukraine".
No one in East of Ukraine was "oppressed". Everyone were living their life. Then came nazi russia and destroyed it, giving false promises of richness and prosperity. Every single one of those fools who believed it and supported - already regretted it 100 times. Including people in Crimea.
Stop listening to russian propaganda. They lie to you.
Every maga completely submitted to putin and republican party should rename themselves to "russian party of USA".
Navalny was a russian nationalist and in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova etc no one really cries for him. West mourns him because he was russian opposition. And there isn't many of them in nazi russia. So they always welcomed anyone who was.
He would not be "tougher on Ukraine than Putin". LOL. He was more like a hipster. Those kinds never would have the guts or courage to attack anyone.
There can never be someone worse then adolf putin. when bitch will finally die - world will become a little cleaner.
Nice argument.
sharePutin does this all the time and usually gets away with it because Tucker Carlson watchers aren't educated about Russia. Navalny was just popularized by the Oscar-winning documentary.
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