If DEI is a good thing why
If DEI is a good thing, why are people upset when you call someone a DEI hire?
Nobody huh? LOL
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Because when you use the word, it is because you know it is more fashionable than calling them a n*gger. Just about everyone else knows that DEI is the new code word for n*gger, why don't you?
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So you think all gays, trans, disabled people, socioeconomically disadvantaged, etc. are black?
People like Blade13 just enjoy insulting others that she does not like. DEI is currently the most favorite buzz word for the mentally challenged prejudiced person.
sharemmmm but if someone gets hired like a charity... not based on intelligence, but based on something they can't change..
then aren't they the mentally challenged ones?
I'd never accept a position just because of my background, i'd be embarrassed.
Dude you are a racist nut job.
shareI think you were looking in the mirror when you said that. :)
shareSays the guy who completely typed out the N word twice. Liberals are always the most racist people.
shareI used a symbol in place of the first vowel so delicate social justice warriors like yourself could not use the correctly spelled word as an excuse to insult anyone who disagrees with them. I seems that I have misjudged you; you're unwilling to have a reasonable conversation with anyone.
I'm not a liberal. Do you define the word liberal as "anyone who disagrees with me"?
You typed out the word twice because you are a racist.
shareNo, it makes more sense that on some level people realize how BAD it is, to hire someone based on the color of their skin or their sexual perversions, or whatever, instead of their ability to do that job.
It is bad for the people that should have got the job and didn't.
It is bad for the people who depend on the services from that job, who now have someone less competent, or even INCOMPETENT doing the work.
it is often bad for the DEI hire themselves, as they are prevented from finding a real way to be a really useful person in the world, and instead now have to depend on racism to feed themselves and their families. That has to be a disgusting feeling to have in your soul.
So all the presidents except for Obama were elected because of the color of their skin and their sex? About 30% of the US population are white males, but they make up 98% of our presidents.
Trump should have not got the job, but he appealed to the Americans who hate the same people he does.
What reason do you have to believe that Harris will not do a good job, other than her sex and skin color?
Nothing you said was real, nor in any way addressed what I said, so...
Sure it applied to what you said. Why are the white male candidates and elected officials not DEI? Having a little backbone should not hurt you at all.
You really think white males in the USA do not make up 30% of our population? You think 98% of presidents have not been white males?
You cannot even voice an opinion on why Harris would not be a decent president. You really think yellow looks good on you?
Because in our system there is a massive culture of celebraing people for everything that makes them NOT white males. The futher away you are from the "norm" of white males, teh more you are celebrated.
The media, big tech, hollywood, they loved Hillary, the FIRST WOMAN, to be president, or so they thought. They fawned over her like the serfs they are.
BUT, now? Harris is not just a woman, she's a BLACK WOMAN. Two steps removed from WHITE MEN.
if she was gay or handicapped, the groups and institutions that gin up the Zeitgeist of our culture would be even more fired up and effusive.
You can choose to stop celebrating those kinds of people then. Why should any color or gender be the norm? Does it threaten you when someone other than a white male is in power?
Harris is a human being. Stop being so hateful.
I don't celebrate those kinds of people, but we as a society do.
That's the reality of the situation. Harris would not be in her current position if she was a white male. She got there becasue she was a black female.
I'm not being "hateful" when I point that out, it's just the reality of the situation.
It doesn't "threaten me" when a non-white non-male is in power. I said nothing of being threatened. Why did you even ask that question?
So Trump got there because he is a white male and got rich from money his daddy gave him? You act threatened, like a cornered animal.
shareWhat the hell are you talking about?
Trump got there because he ran a great campaign against a pack of mostly white males. His "whiteness " or his " maleness" didn't give him any bonuses vs Jeb Bush.
If you had a black woman who ran with Trump's policies, I would be completely happy to support her just as much as I am supporting the white male version of her today.
If you're really going to pretend that you don't know Trump is white, they why are we having this conversation?
I don't have any black women. So where are you going to find a black woman who is pro-rape and anti-gun? Why are those the cornerstones of what you want in a candidate?
1. HIs "whiteness" and his being "male" did not give him an advantage vs JEB BUSH. That is my point, please stop being silly. Address it or not.
2. Thank you for ignoring my point to share that you disagree with Trump on policies. That was a great mystery to us all. IN the real world my point remains. I support candidates based on their policies, not their skin color or sex.
I don't care what advantages he had, or not, over Bush. If being a white male did not help, then why are 98% of our president white males?
You were talking about agreeing with someone's policies, you did not ask for my opinion on anything. But in the past I've made it clear that I think most of Trump's policies suck.
1. Not because of DEI, that's for sure.
2. I judge candidates on their policies not their skin color or gender. That was my point. THe way that you keep trying to pivot from the topic of the thread? That is your brain realizing that you can't support your position on the issue.
Then why is Trump being a DEI candidate an issue with you?
I think you judge candidates primarily on their skin color and their party.
It is not an "issue" for me, becuase it is not true. Indeed, if it was true, I would happily admit it, admit it was a minus and move on with my life.
This issue, ie that Harris is a dei hire, is not going to be a dealbreaker for anyone.
If you found some balls and admitted that Harris was a dei hire, it would change nothing for you. It would change nothing for me.
If the reverse somehow happened, and you were able to present convincing proof that she was hired based on something else, say, she blackmailed Biden to get the slot, I would be suprised, but I would still not support her.
So, why you are being so weird about this?
You do support dei, right?
Barack Obama choose Joe Biden as his VP simply because he was an old white man who appalled to that demographic of voters.. Was Biden a DEI hire?
Donald Trump picked JD Vance because Vance appalled to far right wing white voters.. Was Vance a DEI hire?
Joe Biden picked Kamala Harris as his VP because she would help him appeal to Black female voters.. Why is she the only one considered to be a DEI hire??
Sure, I'm fine with calling Biden a DEI hire. Are you?
Not sure what Vance is yet. It is possible that Trump chose Vance to demonstrate how far a "Never Trumper" can get by licking Trump's boots.
Trump is making it clear to Americans (especially the little ones) that they will need to kiss his ass to get ahead in life.
I'm certain that Biden choose Harris to make the ticket more attractive to minorities and women. But Harris was a senator, not a former game show host like Trump was. This makes Harris far more qualified as a candidate for president in 2024 than Trump was back in 2016.
Ok we largely agree but I wouldn't label either Biden nor Harris a DEI hire in this case.. Because if you did then you would have to call every single VP in history a DEI hire.. VP's are always picked to appeal to a certain base; often time that base is racial.. Like if I as a Black man were running for president; I would probably pick a white woman as my VP or a Hispanic male/female.. Because both groups represent a large voting base that I would need to win.. If I were to pick another Black candidate an all Black ticket would turn off enough white and Hispanic voters that I would likely lose no matter what my policies are.. That is just politics.. Race is still very important in this country no matter how many people like to pretend that it isn't..
shareAre you really trying to say that American pop culture and Hollywood doesn't celebrate white men? Come on.. Have you turned on a television lately, or seen a magazine cover; played a video game etc.. Honestly, white men have to stop acting as though society ignores them, it is getting old..
shareCorrect. White people are considered not cool. Being different from that, is "Cool". The black kid is cooler, the interracial marriage is more hip, race flip the character to make him more diverse, ect. ect. ect.
White people aren't considered cool by who, exactly? Be specific.. Because it sounds as if you have a self-esteem problem..
shareBy liberals mostly. I've run into this in real life. There have been studies showing that libss have anti-white feelings. You can see it in their products say , hollywood, ect.
Hollywood is full of white men who are considered cool.. Arnold S.; Ryan Reynolds, Jason Statham, Sylvester Stallone, Scott Adkins, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Clint Eastwood, and literally hundreds of others.. You have a self image problem which you are projecting onto liberals my friend,,
shareYOu a white male?
shareNo I am Black...and I have seen most all of the movies by these men and many others because I think that they are pretty cool.. Just as cool as the Black actors like The Rock, Samuel L. Jackson, Wesley Snipes, Will Smith, Martin Lawrence; etc.
shareAsk a white lib it is ok to be white. Watch them squirm.
shareMany of the white actors that I named are liberal.. I am sure that they are ok with being white..
shareWHite libs have accepted the idea of white guilt and white fragility and other types of nonsense that is all about putting whites and "whiteness" down.
Because the problem can't just be with you, right?
shareI was making a point about society and the way that white people are seen and treated, in the context of the thread topic.
This way that you keep trying to make it about me personally?
That is kind of a dick move, and not really addressing the thread topic nor anything I have said.
It is addressing the situation.. White people aren't being mistreated in America, they own everything.. Have all of the political power just about and are catered to and looked up to by most.. I just don't understand what your gripe is?
shareHow is making it personally about me, "addressing the situation"?
Seems to me, that that is more the kind of things people do, when they are trying to AVOID really "addressing the situation" and instead just want to "attack the messenger", so that they can defend something, that they know is not defensable by normal, honest discussion or ideas.
I was making a point about society and the way that white people are seen and treated, in the context of the thread topic.
This way that you keep trying to make it about me personally?
That is kind of a dick move, and not really addressing the thread topic nor anything I have said.
See your defining of DEI is all wrong.. DEI makes sure that qualified people of color, female or disability gets hired.. This is because this country has had a history of not hiring these people no matter how qualified they are(especially if they are Black).. People like you think that simply because they are a DEI hire that they are not qualified.. I have heard righties/maga's referring to Justice Kentaji Brown-Jackson as a DEI hire.. This despite the woman's extensive education and accomplishments as an attorney.. In fact she is currently the most accomplished Justice on the bench at time of appointment..
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1. Even if true, "qualified" does not mean MOST qualifited, so it would be overlooking more qualified white or male candidates to hire a less qualified candidate.
2. And we have seen that often DEI canidates are often NOT qualified.
3. The discriminating you speak of has been illegal and culturally taboo for generations.
lol, I've said the same thing about lefties getting mad when people say something is woke.
shareVance was an IDD hire. Intellectually delayed and disabled.
shareNobody from the left can answer this. I didnt think so.
shareFirstly I fully endorse DEI and understand what it means.. People on the right purposefully twist its meaning; then basically us it as the new n-word.. Every time they see a Black person in a position of authority in their mind that person is a DEI(Didn't Earn It) hire.. Despite that persons educational background and accomplishments..
shareThat was really stupid.
shareWhat is stupid is the denial of the racist history of the United States which in turn called for programs like DEI to be implemented in the first place.
shareIf someone was a slave 300 years ago, what does that have to do with someone in 2024 that just happens to be the same race and wants work? i dont see the relation. are you saying that all blacks are the same? that theres something lacking that means they deserve special and extra help?
I come from a group that was once treated really badly in the US, there was discrimination..i'd hate people looking down on me and giving me special treatment because of something that happened to people a 100 years ago, it doesn't affect me.
I dunno you seem to have a really low opinion of blacks, or maybe its that telling them they are stupid is a good way of keeping them down.
The argument is about merit and DEI... Slavery does have a large part to do with it, but is by no means the end of white oppression in this country.. I will tell you what let's just forget that the first slave arrived in this country in 1619 and just start from 1776.. Now from 1776 to 1865 Black people were in slaved.. Then from 1865 there was Black Codes(look it up) and Jim Crow.. In that time many, many Black business and Civil Rights leaders were killed and much wealth and what little land they had was stolen. Then there was the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's.. Black people have only been semi free in this country; as there is much more that I can tell you about, since the 1970's... There is no merit in that.. That is the government using its powers to economically and social advantage on group(white) while disadvantaging another(Black).. Black people have had only a little over 50 years of somewhat freedom in a country that is 248 years old.. Now if you are asking if I think that Black Americans are owed reparations for all of that; then the answer is yes.. Now what group do you belong to?
shareOk, we'll have to agree to disagree, because i'll never accept that taking money from people who did nothing wrong and giving it to people who were never slaves is insanity. i think it's away from creating a victim complex among blacks as further keeping them on the democrat plantation. it's to create conflict and race wars, but you believe whatever you like...
So i have a question and i'd appreciate a respectful and honest answer...
If you believe in DEI hires, let's say with a black woman becoming the head of a university and the basis of this thread is that kamala became VIP based on that. didn't biden promise a black candidate?
Would you give the presidency to kamala overriding the vote, as a way of making up for what you see as crimes of the past?
To the first part of your comment regarding reparations.. It is not just about slavery; it is also about the Jim Crow which followed.. The US as a nation is only 248 years old 1776-2024.. If you say that all racism in this country ended at the end of the Civil Rights Movement..(which we know is bs) then that means that Black folks have only been free in this country for 54 years.. Hell that is less than two generations.. It is funny how folks like yourself like to tell Black folks that we have a victim mentality; when we ask for what we are owed; yet would never say that to anyone in the Jewish community when those who survived the Holocaust and their ancestors still receive reparations to this day from this country and that didn't even happen here. I have never seen a person go before AIPAC or any other Jewish organization and tell them that they are tired of that group "having a victim mentality".. They don't say that to the Japanese when they get reparations for WW2 internment camps.. No one ever says that native Americans have a victim mentality when they receive reparations and other special considerations.. I need you to tell me why that victim mentality card is only pulled when Black Americans ask for the same when you have no problem with your tax dollars going to any of these other groups..
No I wouldn't override the vote to give Kamala Harris the presidency.. The president isn't hired; they are elected.. She has every right to run for president; if she loses then she loses.. But there is no such thing as a DEI president, governor, mayor; what have you.. These people run for office and are elected by the people.. The real question is if she wins will you respect her as the sitting president, or are you one of the Trumpers who will be complaining about the election being stolen? Because the only person who has ever tried to steal an election is Donald J. Trump..
So what's the difference? kamala was a DEI VP pick. she didn't win a vote at the DNC to become VP, biden promised a black woman, qualifications and experience didn't matter right?
if biden would have died, and believe me he hasn't been far off! then kamala would have ended up being the president.
you can get into all the mental gymnastics you like. but it's a fact.
you want to override demcracy.
What are you talking about? No VP wins votes; they are picked by the presidential candidate.. If Biden wants to pick Kamala Harris; then he had every right to.. And the woman was an attorney general as well as US senator before getting that VP nod; so she was very qualified.. She was more qualified to be VP than Trump ever was to be president.. The man was a game show host with numerous sexual assault allegations against him. There was no over riding of democracy until Trump tried to over ride a free and fair election.. Now, for the second time; if she wins the presidency will you accept the results?
sharei don't know why you keep going on about trump, i've not mentioned him once.
i asked you a question, and since then it's been "trump trump trump!"
you've just proven my point, you said you wouldn't give the presidency to kamala because something like this is elected and not hired.
ok, so why did kamala become VP? was it based on merit? biden said "i'll name a black woman VIP"
He didn't say "i'll hire kamala because she's amazing"
he went straight to black woman, so he hired her based on race. she could have ended up being president if joe died.
so yes, you are in favor of a DEI as president or VP and not voting for it, thank you!
I have answered every question that you have asked.. Kamala is a QUALIFIED BLACK WOMAN.. I listed her qualifications.. Biden had every right to choose her; regardless of his reasons just like every other president has the right to pick their VP.. Obama picked Biden because he was an older white man that would appeal to that demographic.. No one ever called Biden a DEI pick. But have always referred to Obama as an affirmative action president.. I have already told you that I wouldn't override any voters..
Will you accept the results of the election and accept Kamala as president if she wins.. Don't address me again until you have an answer for my question..
then why didn't biden say "i'll pick the best person" ?!?
why did he specifically say a "black woman" !?!?
why!?
go on, answer with something about trump and his taxes, go on!
Are you going to accept the results of the election if Kamala wins?
sharei asked you first, but you can't answer me, typical racist.
shareWill you accept the results of the election if Kamala wins? Yes or No.. Can't get any simpler than that.. When you answer this question I will immediately answer yours,,,
sharewhen you have no answer, change the subject.
you said that kamala wasn't a diversity hire.
she was.
another democrat racist.
but im not a pussyboy, i'll answer your question..-
i don't even accept kamala as the democrat nominee, she's not debated her fellow democrats, she's not won a single vote in a primary. she has zero legitimacy as a presidential nominee.
but you're fine with that because she's black.
i don't think anyone should or SHOULDNT get a job based on the color of their skin.
i'm not a racist, you clear are who discriminates based on race.
if kamala wins enough delegates within the democrat party, debates, then wins a fair and clean election, then yep i'll 100% accept the results.
but again, you vote based on color like a good racist, infact you haven't voted for kamala have you!?!? you weren't allowed!
HAHAHA!
Ok.. Now that you have finally answered my question I will answer yours: Biden picked Kamala Harris as his VP to appeal to Black female voters; which he has every right to do.. Which btw, Kamala is very qualified for as she is very well educated and accomplished..
Trump(and I am going to keep bringing him up because this is a convo about presidential candidates and their qualifications) picked JD Vance to be his running mate because Vance appeals to far right wing WHITE voters.. Which Trump has every right to do.. Now are you going to label Vance a DEI hire do to him being picked on his race; or is that something only reserved for the Black candidate?
not got a black panthers meeting to go to?
"kamala doesn't have to debate! kamala doesn't have to win primaries! she's black! she gets a pass!"
so you throw democracy out of the window, the american way, you don't want fellow democrats to pick their candidate... right?
"just give it to the black woman"
pfff! jeeez! i don't know how you can write that!
They did pick their candidates.. Practically all of the delegates have gotten together in this emergency situation and gone with the VP.. I have no problem with that.. The election is 3 months away.. There is no time for all of that campaigning and debating right now. Truth is that Joe Biden should have dropped out at the start of the year and not three and a half months from election day..
shareWell thats almost a new for dems, telling me something that happened that never did..
i don't remember democrat primaries, some good old fashioned debates, the DNC giving speeches and kamala accepting it.
i must have been asleep for the last 6 months.
more fascism from the left, but what else is new?
"just give it to the black woman! because everything is about color! although i say i dont discriminate!"
Accusations of fascism are rich coming from a person whose candidate says that he wants to be a dictator and has actually tried to overthrow an election.. You maga's should just stop whining and coming up with a better strategy than name calling to beat her..
shareI had wrote something else, i've just deleted it. i've seen in another comment that you're black!
so thats why you want free shit, reparations, a black president, just because shes black.
yeah ok, now i get the victim complex and "pay for my air jordans"
welcome to ignore leroy.
Nothing comes free to Black folks in this country.. All of the free shit goes to you white boys.. You are right in my ignore box to Cletus... Fuck you..
shareDEI is includes a lot more than black people. It includes all minorities, different sexual orientations, and genders etc. The fact you apply it to just black people says a lot of what you think of them.
The right doesn’t twist the meaning of dei didn’t earn it. That is the meaning. If they earned it, they wouldn’t be a dei hire, they would be there on merit.
DEI is used mostly to disparage Black people that is why it is deemed racist.. Plus those people did get there on merit.. They have the educational background and qualifications for the job which they seek.. Like I said DEI is put into place to stop race being a factor in denying them the position.. One can be both a DEI hire and be there based on merit.
shareIt’s not mostly used for black people that is just your perception recently it’s been a lot in reference to secret service, and they all seem to be white women. They are certainly not there on merit, because much like the military they have to lower physical fitness standards until they can pass. Are those white women being called the n word?
You are contradicting yourself though. In a merit based system, DEI is not needed because the most qualified are already succeeding. If you argue they are succeeding anyway, why do they need DEI? DEI doesn’t take race out of it, it makes race a primary factor.
The secret service example is but one instance.. Nine times out of ten DEI is used as a slight against Black folks who have positions of authority like Justice Brown-Jackson, Alvin Bragg, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris(I know that she is only half Black) etc.
I am not contradicting myself at all regarding DEI.. You are instead choosing to ignore the history which makes such programs necessary in the first place.. Like I am going to say again.. History has shown us that often times very intelligent people whom weren't white were far too often passed over because of their race. Hence, you had affirmative action and now DEI, to make sure that came to an end. Without DEI Ketanji Brown-Jackson would not be sitting on the Supreme Court today no matter how accomplished and experienced she is.. History has shown that she simply would not have been given the opportunity.. She is but one example.. In one aspect you are right, however, in a merit based system there would be no need for DEI.. Problem is that advancement in America has never been based on merit. If America was merit based then there would have been no need for Jim Crow; redlining and other racist systems..
Same reason you can't tell a woman she looks like Lizzo.
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