The war could be over as soon as the Russian troops retreat to their own country. Why don't Zelensky's critics demand that? Why blame Ukraine for defending against an invasion?
sharePropaganda ...
and I don't get how the republicans are so keen to support Putin, that kinda gives plenty of bullets to the left innuendo ...
How can you guys not grasp that Republicans can not want to support either side? Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "A pox on both their houses?"
shareNot supporting one side in this case is 100% supporting the other side …
I guess republicans are in Putin’s pockets
Believing everything you think is a logical fallacy.
shareYou make no sense, not really surprised …
shareOh, I'm sorry. That was a reworking of a twenty- to forty-year-old, joking comeback, usually worded, "Don't believe everything you think." Is it easier to understand now?
Everyone my age got it at the time. Maybe we were just smarter than generations X, Y, and Z. 🤷🏼♀️
No, not with the "joke". Generally speaking.
shareThe war could be over as soon as he agreed to sit down at a negotiating table, too. Instead, he's trying to pull America into WWIII.
And we're being lied to by people who say Ukraine is a "democracy." When one of our missionaries went into their country, a fellow tried to intimidate the missionary by saying he was from the government and he wanted on the board of elder or overseers. He was told he was welcome to attend all meetings, but our church followed the dictates of God's Word, not some Party apparatchik.
In short, Ukraine is exactly like Russia, only with a very, very rich comedian as a dictator instead of a former KGB goon.
Lol
shareAs retorts go, "Lol" is possibly the weakest.
Yeah, there’s no need to say more, as weak as it is …
shareIt proves you can't debate, so I guess there is no need to say more.
shareThere's nothing to debate with a russian propaganda troll ...
"The war could be over as soon as Russia gets the fuck out" - there is NOTHING to debate beside this.
So that's the end game? Russia just goes back to the borders they had before the invasion and we're all cool?
I think we all could get behind that.
Except there's been talk that it's over only when Putin is out. That's not realistic. And pushing the Russians back apparently is harder than anyone thought, since we've given Zelensky enough money and arms that he should be dancing with his Paris-coutured wife in the halls of the Kremlin by now.
They keep moving the goal posts.
So where are yours? Where do you place the goalposts? When we finally get fully sucked in, what are you willing to be drafted and fight for? Or send your kids to fight for?
No goalpost moving here, get out of Ukraine and magically is peace. Get your Russian people out as well and problem solved.
I don't know about that talk but why are you against Putin being out? Why do you suck Putin's balls?
Let me guess, die hard republican or freshly activated Russian troll?
Zellensky didn't receive that much money or armament, plus they lack the main thing: the number of people that can fight.
But Russia cannot get out because it would be fucked, proper fucked, their oil and gas empire would crumble in 2 years ...
I would like to get Putin out and an honestly democratically-elected government in his place. But that means we invade Russia, as anyone can see, and THAT means full-on thermonuclear war.
To argue as you do, Why do you want to destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust?
Here, ladies and gentlemen, is the money line: “…they lack the main thing: the number of people that can fight.” So why are you just a keyboard warrior? Why aren’t you there fighting? Don’t you know that not volunteering to fight is the same as volunteering for Putin? And don’t you know it’s true simply because I say so?
This post was brought to you by the same crippled logic you use when you argue. Yes, I’ve ceased to take you seriously and simply use your own debating style (if it can be called by such a grand term) to mock you. Now huff and puff and cuss your way through another one of your laughable masterpieces.
BTW, if you’re going to try to impersonate an American, we don’t use the word “proper” or “properly” when we mean “really” or “good and.” You learned European English: “…and magically is peace.” 🤨
As someone else pointed out, there seems to be someone with a lot of sock puppets around here.
I’m not an American, good job realizing that.
You fail logic, I never said I want Putin out, I said that peace can be easily obtained, just Russia needs to get the fuck out.
You fail logic again, while I support the peace in Ukraine that doesn’t mean that I want to join the fight. I know, it’s hard for you to see the nuances.
If I give a homeless guy 100$, or 1000$, that doesn’t mean that I have a desire to give him everything I have or to go out and live with him …
Well, at least you started to be a bit more open to how peace can be obtained, beside “Ukraine should just lie down and die so … peace”.
I guess you didn’t actually say that you wanted Putin out, but this rather implies it: “I don't know about that talk but why are you against Putin being out? Why do you suck Putin's balls?” I don’t fail logic; you fail clear English.
The dollar sign ($) goes in FRONT of the amount, as in, $1 trillion, roughly the amount we’ve given Zelensky to beat Putin. That doesn’t include all the billions England has given or the other NATO countries. Hence the reason why Zelensky and his over-dressed wife should be dancing in the halls of the Kremlin. But then, there’s all those Ukrainian oligarchs to pay off….
So while knowing more than anything, your hero Zelensky needs people to fight, you’re far behind the lines, warm and comfy, playing keyboard warrior, sneering at anyone else who doesn’t want to fight the war you’re advocating for. Impressive!
We have missionaries in Ukraine, so no, I not only didn’t say I wanted them to lie down and die, you know I didn’t say that. I want Zelensky to get off his rich behind and start negotiating a peace treaty with the Russians. And before you tell me what the right wing hawks used to say during the Cold War — that you can’t trust them; they’re the enemy — you negotiate with your enemies. You don’t have to negotiate with your allies. If the treaty falls apart, you and Zelensky can always go back to advocating for WWIII.
No one gave 1 trillion $ to Zelensky, the vast majority of help had been in military help, not cash. And US sent “only” 75 billions, NOT 1 trillion.
Starting with this and shows how misinformed you are and that you only spread propaganda.
No, I don’t want a ww3. And no, there cannot be peace talks as long as Russia keeps pushing and insists on keeping the land they grabbed.
There had been peace talks before and assurances from Russia that they will not invade and will respect the integrity of Ukraine. How did that help?
Wait, is this you??
https://9gag.com/gag/aNwDbbG?ref=ios
My bad. That was the price tag of the whole spending bill.
They always want America to think that we're the only ones standing between what's laughably called "democracy" and Putin's communism. I just looked it up, and we lead the rest of the world with $196 billion given to Ukraine -- not $75B, so we're both misinformed. [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-leads-rest-of-the-world-196-billion-ukraine-war-russia] Germany sent $172 billion, and the rest of the world is estimated to have sent $75 billion -- plus the value of all the munitions, which probably does make the amount over a trillion, all told. We have to pay for all of that, after all. The cost is to us. But for money alone, it's about $443 billion. Without any accountability for how it's being spent.
Well, some of it is going to Ukrainian government workers' pensions. Seriously, Biden told us so, as if that's something we should be paying for. And there was that shopping trip to Paris for Mrs. Zelensky.
There can't be peace talks because Russia continues to act as an aggressor, you say. Guess what? That's when peace talks are needed.
Since it's actually a proxy war, China and the United States need to sit down with Ukraine and Russia and hammer out a peace before Putin tries out his theory of limited thermonuclear war. The war hawks have been painting Putin as a mad dog. They also forget this mad dog has a nuclear stockpile. Despite what you say, I grew up hating communism and the KGB. Putin is a product of both. But for a commie KGB mad dog, he's showing remarkable restraint. He talks tough, but I think he knows our nuclear stockpile is at least as big as his. And unlike the war hawks, he's well aware that if he pushes too hard, some nut on our side might try the "limited nuclear war" themselves.
So far, wiser heads than the war hawks are hesitant to be nuked "until they glow," as the old saying goes.
Do you REALLY expect me to click on that link, you little muggins, you? 🤣
Fox News? Lol
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64656301
75 billions.
Judging by the general state of the Russian Army most likely most of those nukes are in no position to take off. A limited nuclear war would lead to global annihilation. Not even Putin is crazy enough.
Yes, it’s a proxy war already, and USA does a very good job fucking Russia without losing a single soldier. Why would USA want to talk peace while it grinds away Russia’s military? Just give Ukraine some of the weapons that were just sitting around.
9gag scares you? Lol
Since you didn’t read the Fox News story, it was how much money was promised — in the pipeline, as it were — as well as was given; how much we’re giving to Ukraine.
So you’re willing to risk a nuclear war believing the nukes may not hit their targets? Yeah, the first one might hit 15 miles away from you instead of inside Ukraine. 🤦🏼♀️
“Not even Putin is crazy enough.” Reports have it that Biden is considering limited nuclear war, as well. You know, Biden — the guy who shakes hands with thin air and thinks his sister is his wife. The one who occasionally gets furious with people for criticizing him. Unless you’re willing to admit that Biden is being babysat by others, you’ve got another loose cannon in all of this that you need to worry about.
If we were doing a “very good job” against Russia — a Russia whose Army is as pathetic as you say — WE’D be dancing in the Kremlin by now. It’s been a flippin’ year!
We owe Ukraine “some of the weapons that were just sitting around”? We may need those. Why don’t the NATO countries give them the weapons they have “just sitting around”? Ah — because THEY might need them.
And what will that madman/he’s not that crazy Putin do when he runs out of men and all the conventional weapons he can spare? We keep pushing him, and he’s only got one option left. And if Zelensky keeps saying he wants to keep fighting until Putin is out, Putin won’t feel he has anything to lose.
But, hey. Keep arguing as if America should fight this proxy war instead of pushing for peace — while you sit back being what the late, great Mike Royko used to call a “war wimp.” Those were war hawks who wanted others to do their fighting. But no worries — pushed hard enough, Putin will bring the war to you.
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Kremlin propaganda 😴
shareNo, it isn't.
What's really pathetic is that the CHINESE, of all people, had to ask Putin to go to the negotiating table. I remember when America was the peacemaker. Instead we get shown up by the Chinese.
When did we forget that Putin has enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world several times over? So do we, but both sides are talking about "limited nuclear war" as if it's possible. But war hawks -- and when did libs become the war hawks? -- are saying that's pro-Putin talk. I grew up diving under my desk in case Khrushchev decided to push the button. Russia=BAD! That doesn't mean we go stupid and think we should go to war with them.
Besides, all these tough talkers aren't interested in being drafted or volunteering to help Zelensky. They're all keyboard warriors.
You guys need to think this through.
Chinese play their own game. They are exactly like russia but at this point did not go as crazy as invading other countries. But they really really want to invade Taiwan. And will do that if Ukraine will fall and russia will get away with that.
Trumpists are not smart enough to see beyond their nose. Its not about Ukraine only. Its about world order that nazi russia broke when invaded. International recognized borders is what keeps holding world together. Everyone knows that if they will invade - no one will recognize it and there will be consequences. If nazi russia will do that and get away - lots of wars and invasions will occur. Starting with Taiwan. And China wont stop there. They will invade whatever country or island they want and say: "What will you do? Start WW3 because we occupied those islands?"
Its truly mesmerizing to see some small minded people in USA not to understand it. Starting with that Elon Musk idiot. He can build rockets but dont understand anything outside of his space stuff. He almost destroyed twitter 2 weeks after buying it. Because of his arrogance and stupidnes. LOL.
And honey - rusians never forget about Alaska. If you will live by the rules: "Do whatever terrorists say or he will use nuclear" then that terrorist will start taking away from you. Starting with Alaska. They will invade it, rape women and children, kill men, kick out all americans and bring russian families into their houses. And will say: "We will nuke everything if USA will try to take back Alaska".
Are you ready to give away Alaska? I think that trumpist are such cowards that they will actually really give away everything. After that russian will start coming for other states.
There was a tv show about alternative history where Germany and Japan won WW2 and of course occupied USA. And americans had to live under their occupation since they split zones. Thats what would happen if nazi russia will win. But trumpists are just too small minded to understand that.
Good God. Lay off your propaganda pills and stop reading trumpists conspiracy theories cites. Dont embarrass yourself.
When nazi russian supporters say "to sit down at a negotiating table" what they mean is that Ukraine must give up fighting and leave to russia all territories it occupied. Then give russia time to regroup and take a break, make more weapon and mobilize more soldiers, then attack again in few month.
nazi russia cant be negotiated with. Its like trying to negotiate peace with hitler in 1943. War will be only over when putin will die and russia will fall apart into few smaller countries. They brought it on themselves.
If Ukraine will fall then russia will invade other countries and make them "russia". Because russia is exact cheap copy of nazi Germany. Not only russia but China will invade Taiwan and whoever it wants. Other crazy dictatorship countries will start invading smaller ones. Trumpists are just too stupid to understand it. Because their brain dont work like that. They just consume russian propaganda they read on some republican blogs and think they know everything.
Because there are few nazzi russian trolls on this site who keep attacking him and keep this page trending. And few american trumpists-idiots who hate democrats so much that they rather be under russian occupation then under democrats rule. So they root for putin and nazi russia just because Democrats are against them.
Oh, and in their chicken minds putin is anti-woke so they jump and suck his penis like he is some anti-woke Jesus. Its hilarious since they have no idea how hard people live in russia an what a sh*t-hole it is. And if they would be deport there to live there then they would call their mommy in a week, crying and demand woke democrats to let them back in woke America.
And the line is so thin between real nazi russians and those trump-imbeciles that often you cant tell who is who. Its truly sad to watch. And you can really see that its just few people who keep this page trending by writing here. There is like 10-15 of them.
Maybe Zelensky critics are focused more on the pointless loss of lives from both sides than winning the war ?
For example I learned in history class is about who won which battle, at what date and how strategic their maneuvers were, but I never learned about how much people affected by the same war suffered. Also, I never learned the true reasons of the start of any war in history, only pretexts and propaganda.