If you're dismissing games in which Messi turned up and turning a blind eye to stinkers that Ronaldo had then again, you're not giving a fair assessment of their performances.
You're just acting obtuse now because you know your argument is nonsensical. You can have a bad game in the group stage and still redeem yourself in the next game (which Ronaldo did). You cannot redeem yourself if you fail to turn up in the knock out stages. Stop acting stupid like you don't know the difference between a group game and a knock out game. The consequences are completely different.
They both scored 4 goals each. Ronaldo contributed a bit more in the KO stages and Messi contributed a bit more in the group stages, which as far as I know is also an important stage of the competition if you want to win the thing.
Again, see the above. Messi could've scored 15 goals in the group stage, it doesn't matter if he disappears in the championship rounds. At least Ronaldo's goals were spread between all important moments. In one instance, his goals dragged his team past the knock out stages even though the team as a whole were playing poorly. And in the second instance, his goal and assist were the difference to take them to the final itself. You're fighting a losing battle here pal, Ronaldo was more pivotal in this example and the results prove it.
Portugal were on the brink largely because Ronaldo failed to turn up in the first 2 games remember.
But he *did* turn up in the third game and they went through. You're getting so desperate you're arguing hypotheticals now. This is the difference between a group game and knock out game. You can redeem yourself which Ronaldo did. End of story.
Or if he had as much luck as Portugal had in that tournament maybe.
LOL this is how you know you've lost an argument, when you have to resort to talking about luck and hypotheticals. Ok buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Portugal aren't the worst team in the world either even if they might be inferior to Argentina.
Which weakens your argument even more. He's achieved more and with lesser players around him. And beyond the performances, what makes Messi worse than Ronaldo is his crybaby attitude, threatening to quit the national team because he himself fails to turn up in the latter stages of competitions. He even hit a penalty wide in the Copa America Final. If the keeper saved it that would be one thing, but to not even hit the target at his level, is a simple case of Messi choking because of nerves.
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spurtle467 (1549)
4 years ago
At the risk of going round in circles and repeating myself I will simply say that you are overrating Ronaldo's performance and contribution in that tournament. If anything Messi's was more spread as he scored or assisted in 4 games, while Ronaldo only scored or assisted in 3, although I'm not even sure a shot that comes off the keeper and into the scorer can be called an assist.
And yes, failing to get one win in a group and progressing is by its nature lucky. They as much qualified out of the group in spite of Ronaldo, as due to him.
I am actually a fan of both players, but I'm able to see when they get too much praise for things, or too much criticism.
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LiquidOcelot (2412)
4 years ago
At the risk of going round in circles and repeating myself I will simply say that you are overrating Ronaldo's performance and contribution in that tournament.
That's not the argument though, you said Ronaldo turned up in Euro 2016 as much as Messi did in the 2014 World Cup which simply isn't the case. Messi did his usual disappearing act in the knockout stages. And even beyond that, Messi has consistently choked in big games, even hitting a penalty wide in the Copa America Final. All in all, Ronaldo has performed better for his country. You would have to be pretty deluded to argue otherwise.
Messi is simply not the same player outside of a Barca shirt, he lacks confidence when playing for Argentina.
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