Fuck the crown. Abolish it. Then nobody would give a shit about Harry and Megan. Or Willie and Katie. As they should until they've done something to merit it.
shareNot really
shareEven if true, why should they? The monarch is a fucking joke. Why not be happy that they have chosen to live their lives as they wish, and out from under a life that while affluent and rewarding, restricts you from being who you want to be? More importantly, why care so much?
sharewhy should they
You are anti-crown,i am not. Simple as that. I recognize the importance and the prestige of this institution. And i have the feeling Harry and Meghan dont understand the importance of the monarchy and just want to live like Hollywood celebs. And they even complain about it!
shareWhat exactly is the importance of the crown ?
shareRight?!?!
shareThey are an institution that lasts since centuries. I think only the Church is more powerful than them in this sense
shareSo you believe old to equal power and importance. Oooookay. You do know what even in the world of monarchies, they aren't the oldest, right?
shareWhat?
shareIt's laughable that you believe old equates to power and importance. The british monarchy is not even the oldest monarchy in the world.
shareDo you think somehow you have made a relevant point? What is important to you?
shareI've made several valid points, and no valid counter points have been made. Other than the likes of you are pathetically obsessed with an out of power and irrelevant royal family. You all are basically Kardashian fans.
shareI'm not a royalist. What points do you think you have made? Stupid people like you often overestimate their intelligence so while I'm sure you think you have made valid points, there are none on display.
shareSo they are important because they EXIST. Hokay
shareWhat? Part 2
shareRe-read your response
But just to help you out with your own answer - you said they are important because they are an institution that has lasted centuries like the Church. The Church is responsible for upholding Christianity and its beliefs - they have a purpose
What is the purpose of the Crown ? Especially in a democratic setup as the UK
I don't care enough to be "anti-crown". But I do not believe it to be important. They are a figurehead outfit plain and simple. Either way, they are of no importance to America - just watching all this drama go down unnecessarily is hilarious.
shareForget America. Are they really of any importance to the UK except for carrying on a tradition of imperialism which is the root cause of half the problems in the world
shareWell, now that they are out of the European Union, I would aruge that we are of significant importance to the UK. Only a fool would dispute that.
The average American could not car less about the average Brits perception of them, and generally has no perception of them one way or another itself. It's the British, like many Europeans, who go out of their way to express their opinion about America(ns). We must be of some importance for them to be so forward in their bigotry.
I really do not see what purpose the Crown serves to the UK even with Brexit
PS: I am neither American nor Brit
I'm with you. The truth is that they hold no importance other than some misplaced belief that their existence somehow honors their "honorable" past.
I'm not even anti monarchy, I've just never understood the purpose of their existence nor the public's odd fascination with them. To me, they aren't that different than the Kardashians, just more pretentious.
While the Japanese monarchy is also a figurehead, their existence is tied to the unique Japanese identity. For a long time, the Japanese viewed them as a direct link to the Gods. I would imagine many still do. Plus, they weren't dragged out into the streets and forced to relinquish their power by their own citizens.
It helps give middle aged, conservative and subservient fuckwits in this country the impression they are still relevant.
share"Why not be happy that they have chosen to live their lives as they wish"
You mean the whole "leave us alone" except for all the interviews they give? Or the fact that she doesn't talk to most of his family and now he talks to none of his? I'm not even a "Royals" fan, but fuck these two. She's a miserable shrill and has ruined this guy's life; and he's a fool for letting her.
"Why not be happy that they have chosen to live their lives as they wish"
Uhm, what sokar and kuatorises said.
Remember: The crown must always win
shareNo one respects monarchies besides moron royalists.
shareFacts
shareIt's embarrassing.
shareBased on what I've heard around the web, from both her supporters and her detractors, she and Harry love to contradict themselves.
They first claim to want "privacy," and then move to Hollywood, one of the worst places in the world to get privacy. Even more interesting, Meghan has no less than three PR firms working for her to keep her in the news and "looking good." Sadly, all three are failing. Nobody's fooled by all the puff pieces or sympathy/pity party porn her people keep peddling.
Harry was tricked into thinking his family would be the family "Meghan never had." The reality was, she had dumped both sides of her family (save for her lying, manipulative, unsavory mom) because they didn't fit the narrative she wanted. She claims her dad was a greedy attention whore, when old posts she herself once posted on "The Tig," her blog, paints a very different man, a guy who loved his daughter, spoiled her rotten, and did everything he could to make her happy while growing up. She doesn't even acknowledge that she has siblings, and lied about having any while growing up, when in fact she has at least 4 half-siblings that she pretends don't exist, including Samantha, who published a more honest story about Meghan's upbringing just last month.
Oh yeah, and then, less than two years after marrying into this "royal family she never had," she dumps them and drags her prize---I mean husband, off to Hollywood with almost no notice to her grandmother-in-law, which goes against the rules in The Firm.
She claims to support women, and yet, when she was in Africa with Harry and doing an interview, she whined about how "nobody asked her if she was okay," while surrounded by women who had suffered far worse than she ever did. She also twice wore earrings given to her by the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, not caring at all that just three weeks prior to the events she wore them, that the Saudi Arabians murdered that journalist in Turkey. She essentially showed that she is vain and loves to wear expensive jewelry/clothes, and supports a country that treats women like shit. That, and she loves to bully other women. She sees any women who could "undermine her," as a threat, and bullies them horribly.
In fact, she tried to have her PR people bury a story about how she got served a lawsuit in college. In her sorority, you knew if you were her friend, because if you weren't, she was not someone you wanted to cross. She got sued for a hazing she did where she super-glued two new pledge's eyes shut. Daddy paid for the lawyer hired to defend her, and there's rumors going around that they bribed the college to keep the story quiet so she could finish her education there.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. I have plenty more for those of you who still think this creature is a saint.
pity party porn her people keep peddling
Speaking of porn, Meghan is well-known in that industry. You can find videos of her various porn films all over the web, according to what I've read. Considering her acting abilities are crap, I'm not surprised she got work in the porn industry; they'll take anyone willing to strip naked for the camera.
shareI don't understand what Meghan and Harry are doing. On the one hand, if they want to be out from under the restrictions of royal family life, ok, they did that. I think it's a mistake, but it's their prerogative. But to have this interview with Oprah just seems very vindictive towards the royal family. The more Meghan complains, the more I think: maybe the people saying negative things about her are telling the truth. It's a bit like that tv interview in Africa. She was looking very sad with her statement that "not many people" have asked how she's doing, but she was on a trip doing charitable work where supposedly she was trying to help people much more deprived than herself. Does she not see how manipulative and overprivileged that appears?
I don't know. I hope they figure it out. Somehow I doubt they will though. I wish them all the best.
That's another interesting thing about Meghan. She made a big deal about joining the royal family after the engagement was announced; claiming she was going to "hit the ground running" and "modernize" the institution. She made it seem like she was committed to living in England, carrying out all royal duties, giving of herself, committing to her charities, etc. Her Majesty liked how enthusiastic Meghan appeared to be when it came to her "work ethic," or so it appeared when the engagement started.
However, research and sleuthing reveals that she never intended to stay with the Royal Family at all. She and Harry had planned from the beginning to run off to Hollywood, even before the wedding, though she was willing to put on a good show and put up with the royal stuff for only two years before the plan was enacted. The real plan Meghan had was to get a big, show-stopping wedding, gain a royal title (though it is Duchess, not "princess"), get pregnant with at least one "insurance policy" (known as a kid), drag her prized prince and "insurance policy" child off to Hollywood, and use both Harry and her title to earn cash and get all the acting gigs she had been "denied" all these years.
However, that hasn't exactly panned out the way she hoped, and I honestly think, even if we hadn't had a pandemic, she still would be in the same position she's in today. The various celebrities and producers they've talked to were not impressed with her, at all. She's in her 40s now (she lied about her age three times, so everyone thinks she's 39, when she isn't), which is "long in the tooth" in Hollywood, and word has gotten around from Canada about how difficult she was to work with behind the scenes.
It was really sad what was going on with the different producers. It was a repeating cycle of, she'd call up one or more producers, offering to let them meet Prince Harry in exchange for having a meeting, they would get excited at meeting a real-live prince and happily show up, and then, when they got there and sat down with the couple....the couple had absolutely no ideas or no good ones available to work with. They really had no idea what to do for these movie/tv deals. It makes me wonder who she got to help her get the Netflix gig, considering she's terrible at getting such things herself.
I don't know, that seems like a very cynical interpretation. I did see a couple of videos of herself and Harry where she didn't seem to be comfortable with the way they have to keep their opinions to themselves in public. There was one where they were talking with dignitaries or diplomats and she interrupted Harry, crossing in front of him to introduce herself to someone on the other side of the group. The etiquette probably seemed ridiculously hierarchical to her, but I thought it looked disrespectful to cut in front of his conversation like that. Then there was her comment at another function about being pleased about some abortion legislation or something like that (was that in Ireland?). I imagine it must be stressful to have to be so carefully silent about one's opinions but surely she knew that going into the whole situation? It's as if she thought the royal family have real power, whether that is power to run charities or to move political opinions; when in reality they are basically highly paid diplomats, with the job of making the people who ACTUALLY run the charities feel appreciated, and hosting foreign dignitaries, and giving public speeches where they make jokes carefully calibrated to be just funny enough to get a polite chuckle, and that kind of thing.
shareThe problem is, Meghan was raised using two rules:
1.) You can have anything you want, and the word "no" will never be heard by you.
2.) You gotta be loud and always proving yourself, never let anyone shut you up no matter how stupid you sound.
Meghan was documented as being a huge fan of Princess Diana, but despite having many books about her, Meghan was apparently not aware of how they really do things in the Royal Family. There's a price to pay for those titles she wanted so bad. One of them is, you have to be politically neutral. You're not allowed to let anyone know how you lean politically, because that's how the British Royal Family works. They can't afford to take sides, or they will upset half the country. Meghan didn't give a shit. She deliberately didn't listen, and thought she could get away with it.
When she said she wanted to "modernize" the British Royal Family, she meant that she wanted to basically be running the joint, telling them what to do and ruling the roost. She found out that a.) they were smarter and more mature than she was, and b.) you do not come barging into an ancient institution like that, acting like a bratty, loud, Hollywood Diva, and expect to get anywhere. Her views of the royal family were very skewed, thinking she would be a princess who got anything she wanted when she went in. She found out wrong. You also don't move up in rank like what happens in Hollywood. She really hated hearing that she would have to walk behind at least 6 or 7 other people at any major event, she couldn't be in front for all the cameras, and she have to curtsy to another woman (Catherine) who was higher up on the food chain than she was. She also didn't respect Queen Elizabeth, who is the real ruler of her own family, regardless of the family's role in modern England. Her Majesty was dealt with people way worse than Meghan, she's gonna win this game regardless of what the gold-digger tries to do.