Nepo Baby - Miley Cyrus Discussion

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

Whilst it's a rather mean observation, I certainly think this particular insult is far closer to the mark than all the 'hillbilly'/'white trash' slurs.

She was born with a silver spoon. She's not some poor Appalachian 'hick'. Even if you go back a few generations, I believe some of her family were involved in politics, so, once again, it's not as if she was some impoverished rags-to-riches nobody as some people on this board seem to be characterising her as.

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[–] Kowalski (76313) 2 years ago

SAME COULD BE SAID OF YOUR FATHER OR MOTHER.

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

YOU KNOW THIS PERSON'S FATHER AND MOTHER? DISBELIEFEMOJI

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[–] Kowalski (76313) 2 years ago

LMAO...NO...PROBABLY NOT...BUT WE ALL BENEFIT OR SUFFER BASED ON WHO OR WHAT OUR PARENTS ARE.

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[–] Tabbycat (878) 10 months ago

SO THAT’S HOW MANY GENERATIONS OF YOUR FAMILY THAT NEVER FOUND THE CAPS LOCK

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Without her talent she wouldn’t have maintained popularity. Her sister Noah is also a singer and recording artist, if it was all down to Billy Ray she would also be as popular and successful as Miley.

Most people become famous through connections of some sort, just because Miley’s connection was her father it doesn’t make her less worthy or invalidate her success.

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[–] April-151-CT (10210) 2 years ago

So????

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[–] stickman38 (3361) 2 years ago

I won't get into details because it's Miley, not much can be said about her. But anyone that has connections will take advantage of it. At least, most of the time they will. It's not her fault she was born into it. Same with people born into poverty. I can't "blame them" for how their lives turn out. Sure, their parents might have been losers and that's why they were born poor but it's to no fault of their own.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

"It's not her fault she was born with connections"...

"It's not his fault he was born a man"

"It's not their fault they were born white"

See where this leads?

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[–] stickman38 (3361) 2 years ago

Nope. Don't see it.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

I'm saying that if we give people a pass for being born with connections, because "it's not their fault," how's that different from giving people a pass for being born white or being born a male?

Why should Miley get a pass for being born rich and socially-connected, but a poor white man with poor, blue-collar parents, or perhaps raised by a single and/or unemployed parent, gets lambasted for *their* identity?

Seems to me that we only lay off from attacking an individual's privilege, when they're particularly rich and powerful. That doesn't seem very fair to me. What do others think?

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[–] stickman38 (3361) 2 years ago

I don't think we can blame anyone for their circumstances but many people have been lambasted for being born into wealth and/or connected. In fact, this is becoming the new motto of the woke mob in my country. It's all about going after the haves and empowering the have-nots.

The funny thing about this is that it seems to be people of privilege that are the most vocal about this. When the mob takes over, they'll actually be the first to go.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

But no-one is going after wealthy celebrities. And any time anyone does, the media will simp over them and give them a platform to argue why it's 'unfair' and how they've 'earned their success'. Just look at the offence Lily Allen and Jamie Lee Curtis took to the term 'nepo baby'.

Now, my personal feeling, even as an anti-elitist egalitarian, is that, as you say, we shouldn't attack anyone for the circumstances and/or identity they were born into/with. They can't be held to account for those innate privileges. However, if we're going to lambast white men for their white male privilege, surely it's only fair that we ALSO lambast the *really* privileged (i.e. the children of the super-rich and the super-powerful).

And just to be clear, I'm not getting defensive about white male privilege. I wholly acknowledge that it exists. I'm simply saying that it's only fair that we *also* address other systemic privileges rather than *exclusively* talk about white male privilege, but certain people have a vested interest in *only* speaking about male privilege, or *only* speaking about white privilege, but not talking about their privilege as the child of a millionaire/billionaire/socially-connected celebrity.

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[–] Popcorngal (4818) 2 years ago

I have no problem with help or trust fund babies, or so called neo babies
I wish my family could have provided me with that kind of financial security. But I do find disfavor with slovenly, disrespectful heirs.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

Oh brother...🤦‍♂️

Slovenly heirs are doing the rest of us a favour. They're inadvertently stepping aside and allowing working-class people to fill the gap, rather than using their power and privilege to dominate their field of choice.

Until the day comes when we have a truly egalitarian society, we NEED some rich kids to fail and flounder. In a capitalist, zero-sum-game, dog-eat-dog society, such as the one we presently live in, whereby there's only so much room at the top, for social mobility to work, we need to see downwards mobility as well as upwards mobility. The latter take the place of the former.

Thus, rich people who fail, do a favour for the poor. Men who fail, do a favour for women. And white people who fail, do a favour for Black people. If all rich white men were to succeed and flourish as much as their rich daddies and mommies, where the fuck does that leave everyone else? 😠

"Step the fuck aside *Richie*. Time for some NEW blood!"

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (12144) 2 years ago

I dunno but I'm a bit clueless here. Her father was always seen as a bit of a joke. Did he have much leverage in the industry, I mean among the real power brokers?

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

Achy Breaky Heart was HUGE. Billy Ray Cyrus must have raked MILLIONS off of that song, and set his pampered family up FOR LIFE. And there is a certain market that still loves that type of music. So, of course his connections will have given Miley leverage in the industry. But sure, it suits the narrative of every SPOILED ROTTEN NEPO-BABY to pretend that they made it off of their own steam. *sigh* 🙄

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (12144) 2 years ago

I guess a hit song no matter how stupid gives an artist leverage.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

It was HUGE. I'm sure he and his family could live off that, especially in view of all the tours and the royalties.

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[–] Kowalski (76313) 2 years ago

RIGHT... THATS HOW SHE GOT THE DISNEY SHOW...EVERYTHING AFTER THAT HAS BEEN ALL HER.

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

Okay, but few people have the right connections to get their foot in the door in the first place.

Like the rich say, the first million is always the hardest. Once you're in, you're in, unless you do something REALLY stupid.

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[–] Kowalski (76313) 2 years ago

LIKE TAKING OVER DAD'S SPORTING GOODS STORE OR BECOMING AN ELECTRICIAN BECAUSE YOUR GRANDFATHER IS ONE AND CAN HOOK YOU UP(I PASSED REGRETTABLY).

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[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) 2 years ago

Sure, but it's not as if those are elite jobs (sorry if that sounds rude).

Anyway, as much as I sometimes bemoan my lack of connections, I'm generally grateful that none of my family were in elite jobs, or were able to give me a leg-up into any type of career (none of them own a business, even a small business, and few of them were in 'skilled' jobs, plus my brother and I were the first in the family to go to college). It means that anything I've achieved (which admittedly isn't as much as I'd like) is off of my own back.

I don't know what's worse. To be denied the opportunity to succeed, or to keep wondering whether you're only where you are because of daddy and mummy.

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[–] duckofprey (1557) 2 years ago

So? It’s common all over. Heck, I work for the 3rd largest defense contractor on Earth (over 30 years) and it amazes me to this day how many I’ve worked with had older relatives s work here. I discover at least two new cases each month.

Same in Hollywood. Randomly check out ten folk on IMDB and I bet you’ll find five or six of them are related to someone in the biz.

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