Why do racists right wingers feel that they deserve roles due to their skin color rather than their talent?
Why do racists right wingers get so angry when there supposedly aren't "enough" white people in Hollywood? I thought they were colorblind.
While I'm not sure I know exactly to what you are referring, in general the view from the right is that there is a concerted effort by the left to have black actors play characters that were reasonably envisioned to be, or historically were, white. This is interpreted as being a harmful manipulation of reality, and an attack on Western civilization, because it attempts to distort it by minimizing the role that Caucasian people played, and by artificially elevating the role that black people played. In essence, what Hollywood is doing is pushing a harmful ideology to audiences.
shareIn this case, it's a west end production in a london theatre.
Nothing to do with Hollywood.
They casted a black woman who looks like a man. It’s woke stupidity and I hope this play flops bad.
shareImagine the actions of a theatre half a world a way living rent free in your head.
shareWhat does the distance away have to do with anything? What a stupid argument.
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TuR24xhtYg (mid 2000s: black Romeo)
https://www.npr.org/2013/10/28/241385373/condola-rashad-stars-in-broadways-biracial-romeo-juliet#:~:text=Carol%20Rosegg-,Condola%20Rashad%20stars%20opposite%20Orlando%20Bloom%20in,Broadway%20production%20of%20Romeo%20%26%20Juliet.&text=Many%20people%20might%20know%20Condola,and%20NFL%20sportscaster%20Ahmad%20Rashad. (from 2013 - black woman with Orlando Bloom in a production)
Were you equally outraged at these?
No, because that chick isn’t ugly and doesn’t look like a man. What part of “this chick is hideous and looks like a man” are you not grasping?
shareSo that's it then? You don't care about the race.... this is just because she's ugly?
Do you get equally outraged when an 'ugly' woman is cast in anything?
This is the ugliest woman ever cast in a lead role in the history of the planet.
The line has been crossed, this is unacceptable.
There is a weird push by the left to put the most unqualified and ridiculous looking people in these positions.
And now there are purposely seeking out ugly people
This is a production for a theatre in London. This type of 'unqualified' casting is often done. How do you think people get experience? It's not some major international release.
Plenty of fucking ugly men historically are well known actors.
Originally, and for years, Juliet was played by an adult English man, rather than by a Veronese teenaged girl.
shareWe can understand "Hollywood" as a symbol of the entire entertainment industry.
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TuR24xhtYg (mid 2000s: black Romeo)
https://www.npr.org/2013/10/28/241385373/condola-rashad-stars-in-broadways-biracial-romeo-juliet#:~:text=Carol%20Rosegg-,Condola%20Rashad%20stars%20opposite%20Orlando%20Bloom%20in,Broadway%20production%20of%20Romeo%20%26%20Juliet.&text=Many%20people%20might%20know%20Condola,and%20NFL%20sportscaster%20Ahmad%20Rashad. (from 2013 - black woman with Orlando Bloom in a production)
Were you equally outraged at these?
I'm not actually "outraged" when theatrical productions are done like this because stage plays aren't really intended to be reflections of reality anyway. Well, I suppose I'm fine with it so long as the same standard is held if the situations are reversed (e.g. white actors should be able to play black characters without opposition). Film and TV, on the other hand, often are, which may very well increase the level of harmful hotep revisionism that is going on.
shareWhere is the line in the sand that you will draw?
If they had a man play Juliet, is that okay?
Perhaps Romeo is a furry, and all he does is bark at Juliet, who thinks she’s s cat.
Would a transgender Juliet be okay?
No, it would not.
Where is the "line in the sand" in regard to actors who get to play certain stage roles? I would say it's drawn at common sense. A person's sex is fundamental to his or her identity, so having a woman play a man's role, or vice versa, would not be ok. Ethnicity is not as fundamental, so I don't think it matters in a theatrical production in certain contexts. However, in a film production, it's another story
White people aren't "owed" roles though. Stop pushing diversity quotas.
shareIt's not about "owing" anything. It's about reality vs. manipulation of reality for ideological purposes.
shareWhich is what you're doing. You're trying to force society forced into believing 95% of all actors should be white.
shareI never said anything of the sort. You're creating a strawman argument.
shareThen why complain? There can be as man black people as the business wants. If they hire an Asian Juliet, it's just the free market doing it's work.
shareI wasn't the one complaining. I was explaining to you the phenomenon. I personally don't think that it's a big deal for a stage play to put a black person in role of a white character, or to put a white person in the role of a black character. These are works of art more than depictions of historical accuracy.
I do think some of the backlash here is at least in part because the black actress who will play Juliette is not as "pretty" as other actresses, white or black.
part because the black actress who will play Juliette is not as "pretty" as other actresses, white or black.
SUBJECTIVE AND STUPID.
I'm just the messenger.
shareTHAT IS FALSE.
shareIf you want to argue that this woman is as objectively beautiful as other actresses, that is on you. However, I think it is safe to say that not many people will agree with you. I am in no way trying to impugn her (after all, physical beauty is superficial), but instead trying to provide you with objective context.
share"envisioned to be, or historically were, white"
The right also get their panties in a twist when a black man is cast in a totally fictional role that has nothing to do with history and their great white superiority.
Sorry, but the left - which whines about virtually everything under the sun - really has no credibility to call others whiners. There is even a phenomenon online in which you go to Google and type in "Is racist or sexist?" and you'll find the left alleging *something* violates their contrived rules of fairness.
And what exactly is your example of the right getting upset when a black man was case "in a totally fictional role that has nothing to do with history"?
youve got to be joking?
heres 1000 exaples
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Amoviechat.org+how+woke
Lol, you think that pointing out a movie is woke is "whining"? Well if that's the case, is every instance of the left asking about racism a form of "whining"? Because I guarantee you that we can find vastly more instances of that over the years.
share"Sorry, but the left - which whines about virtually everything under the sun "
I'm sorry but I've never seen this "whining" . What I have seen is a bunch of blowhard right wingers telling me about "snowflakes" and upset because "cant say anything these days" , whilst ironically being the only ones doing the crying.
You mean to say you’ve somehow never seen the left whining about the patriarchy, white supremacy, the male gaze, misogyny, Nazism, etc?
All those things are practically non-existent in the developed world, yet the left thinks they’re widespread and affecting people’s daily lives. Their entire identity is whining about things that don’t exist anymore just for clout, well, and control now too.
I guess i have seen that - but only in response to right wing whinging , eg .
"Why is this black man on my screen - thats a white mans job"
"shut up nazi"
You will NEVER see a lefty instigating this nonsense with a OP post on a movie like:
"Why is this lead actor white? he should be brown"
The right wingers are the ones responding to leftwing complaints. The left are the ones instigating it, and have been for over a decade now.
“Why am I not seeing more black people in my tv? That woman is too hot, make her uglier and put on more clothes! Where are all the gays at?”
You are being way too charitable to the many angry YT caustic critics who commentate (about a small slither of content) and rant about 'woke' media.
shareI’ve observed these YouTube critics after people on here and twitter complained about them, and so far the critics have been correct. They might act somewhat dramatic for entertainment purposes, but they’re still correct.
shareThe critics are almost uniformly unbelievably ignorant about modern TV and film and almost exclusively review the MCU/Star Wars and franchise media. They have the depth of a small puddle.
shareThey've reviewed plenty of other stuff than MCU and Star Wars, and they're still right, the infection is widespread. Some IPs aren't hit as bad as others, for now, but it's everywhere in the west. It's only a matter of time before foreign media are hit too, starting with Japan and Korea.
shareSome of them have. They mostly do not.
It really isn't. They're clueless. They don't know that Apple TV exists. They miss so much media, especially in TV that it's laughable. None of them are familiar with any kind of prestige TV. You remember that list I gave you, right?
Since 2018:
Chernobyl, The Boys, The Queen's Gambit, The Last of Us, House of the Dragon, Wednesday, Sex Education, Ted Lasso, You, Haunting of Hill House, Succession, Euphoria, Yellowstone, The Bear, Reacher, The White Lotus, Severance, Altered Carbon (s01), Mare of Easttown, Andor, Dahmer: Monster, After Life, One Piece, Bodyguard, Midnight Mass, When They See Us, Beef, Peacemaker, Killing Eve, Silo, The Morning Show, Barry, 1883, Sharp Objects, Good Omens, The Fall of the House of Usher, Black Bird, What We Do in the Shadows, Maid, Dead to Me, Foundation, Unorthodox, Normal People, Gen V, Yellowjackets, The Gentlemen, Shogun, Dopesick, Slow Horses, Tulsa King, Fallout, Derry Girls, The Great, Warrior, 1923, The Terror, Devs, Mayor of Kingstown, Jury Duty, Tokyo Vice, Our Flag Means Death, One Day, Gangs of London, The Gilded Age, Station Eleven, Lessons in Chemistry, Abbott Elementary
How much of the last did you watch, though?
shareSince 2018:
Chernobyl, The Boys, The Queen's Gambit, The Last of Us, House of the Dragon, Wednesday, Sex Education, Ted Lasso, You, Haunting of Hill House, Succession, Euphoria, Yellowstone, The Bear, Reacher, The White Lotus, Severance, Altered Carbon (s01), Mare of Easttown, Andor, Dahmer: Monster, After Life, One Piece, Bodyguard, Midnight Mass, When They See Us, Beef, Peacemaker, Killing Eve, Silo, The Morning Show, Barry, 1883, Sharp Objects, Good Omens, The Fall of the House of Usher, Black Bird, What We Do in the Shadows, Maid, Dead to Me, Foundation, Unorthodox, Normal People, Gen V, Yellowjackets, The Gentlemen, Shogun, Dopesick, Slow Horses, Tulsa King, Fallout, Derry Girls, The Great, Warrior, 1923, The Terror, Devs, Mayor of Kingstown, Jury Duty, Tokyo Vice, Our Flag Means Death, One Day, Gangs of London, The Gilded Age, Station Eleven, Lessons in Chemistry, Abbott Elementary, Patrick Melrose, Why Women Kill, Mr. Inbetween, ZeroZeroZero, The English, Winning Time, Scenes from a Marriage, Time, I May Destroy You, Waco, Masters of the Air, Reservation Dogs
I didn't watch all of these, but we're going by audience and critic acclaim here.
So no, you haven't watched all of them. And I wouldn't rely too much on audience and critic scores these days, not only does ad populum not make something good, rating sites have been shown to be tampered with from time to time.
Have you seen Idiocracy?
>So no, you haven't watched all of them. And I wouldn't rely too much on audience and critic scores these days, not only does ad populum does not make a something good, ratings sites have been shown to be tampered with from time to time.
Except that plenty of shows that did release with hype and expectation have *bad* scores, hence why I didn't reference them: She-Hulk, Rings of Power, Resident Evil, Cowboy Bebop. Not everything gets positive ratings at all.
The point is that if you have hardly seen most western TV, and are coming at it from prominently consuming the MCU/Star Wars and other pop sci-fi media that breaks through on Netflix or Prime occasionally, how can you remotely fairly scrutinise what is beyond that?
Which is precisely the problem with so many of the YT critics here.
Have you watched any Apple TV shows? Remind me.
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"“Why am I not seeing more black people in my tv? That woman is too hot, make her uglier and put on more clothes! Where are all the gays at?”"
I have never seen that on this site , what I have seen however is a constant stream of the opposite from woke whiners
https://moviechat.org/tt12637874/Fallout/661b2e67b2a7d337b25c8350/Count-the-trannies
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/61ee1ff34293dd38d900c3b1/Hollywood-has-a-cancer-That-cancer-is-WOKE
https://moviechat.org/tt11245972/Scream/61e87c88174c5e6d379dcd6d/How-woke-is-it?reply=61f7d7ecbd83ea275cb5305c
and heres 1000 more :
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=site%3Amoviechat.org+woke
where are your imaginary lefties complaining about "where the gays at?"
You don’t see it on this site because Moviechat, apparently, mostly appeals to people who aren’t radical leftists. Go on YouTube, or journalist sites, or Reset Era, or Reddit, or Twitter, and you’ll see lefties complaining about the male gaze and the patriarchy and whatever other buzzword they’ve been fed.
Anyone who doesn’t go along with this “diversity” farce is labeled rightwing, just look at how they reacted to JK Rowling. I repeat, leftists are the ones instigating it, all “rightwingers” (ergo everyone else) have done is react to them.
Moviechat, apparently, mostly appeals to people who aren’t radical leftists.
well theres a breakthrough . dont know if corbell ,tvfan and the rest of the right-hardcore would agree
If people specified "radical leftists." when referring to these things it would be a lot clearer and a lot less confrontational.
what we normally get is :
"Leftist Commies are all pedos and trannise who want to to rape your children . all of them"
and then anybody not a hard right maga thinks it means them and all other democrats ,rather than a small minority of extremnists.
... and then on second paragragraph you relapse to exactly what I've just been talking about
I repeat, leftists are the ones instigating it, all “rightwingers” (ergo everyone else)
you dont have to be a right winger to see that trannies should not be in competitive womens sports.
“you dont have to be a right winger to see that trannies should not be in competitive womens sports.”
Which supports my point that many people are lumped in with rightwingers. So what do you mean when you said I “relapsed”?
maybe i misunderstood , i thought that by
"I repeat, leftists are the ones instigating it, all “rightwingers” (ergo everyone else)"
you meant that everyone instigating attacking JKR etc is a leftist and everyone not doing that is a rightest.
as opposed to
the instigators are extreme leftists and everyone else is normal leftists + rightists
🙂😂 NO
shareSeriously - where you you been living your whole life? Go to Google, and type in "Is racist?" and replace with the word of your choice. You'll find some article talking about how such and such is racist. It's comical at this point. These are examples of the left whining about virtually everthing under the sun.
Examples:
"Is cleaning racist?"
"Is golf racist?"
"Is perfume racist?"
"Is backpacking racist?"
"Is air racist?"
They are clearly all attention seekers and people taking the piss.
There will always be trolls on twitter , or opinion piece journalists with clickbait titles.
they do not represent "the left"
They don't represent the Left, they are the Left.
Who are the Left? Those who embrace LIEberal idiotology.
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You're claiming that all these people claiming everything under the sun is "racist", which is exactly what the left wants to claim, somehow don't "represent the left"? Come on. Be real.
I might be at least slightly persuaded by your comment if the sources for these "racist" claims were no-name outlier sites, but they're not. These are from academics, from sites like "Mother Jones", etc. Sites that contained articles about racism in hiking/outdoors included the Sierra Club, Oregon Public Broadcasting, and NPR.
So yes, this craziness is OWNED by the left. It sounds like you are trying to hide from this reality of your own (presumed) side, but you just need to accept it.
I had a quick look at that hiking one yesterday. It looked like they were just saying "how can we encourage more black people to go hiking , there dont seem to be many"
rather than
"There are active blockers on black people , white people keeping it to themselves - racist"
A bit like the pointless "how do we get more women into computing" thing
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I guess theres a distinction between
"the left - the Democrat party"
and
"The left - SJWs"
I hate to use the term but it seems easist
What I'm getting at is its not as simple as:
"If your not a maga cap wearing Trumpy - Then you are left and ergo you think rain is racist"
also ,
are you saying that a conservative would *never* address any kind of social injustice?
Dude, watch media outfits like the Daily Wire and many rage-rightoid media commentators on Youtube to see how they cry about "woke" in fiction.
Heelvsbabyface most notably literally having a mental breakdown, weeping and crying on camera because Starfield asked the player what pronouns they would like their character to use.
Ok, go ahead and name a Daily Wire commentator who got upset because a black man played a character "in a totally fictional role that has nothing to do with history".
I had never heard of Heelvsbabyface before, so if that's the "most notable" instance, then it supports my point.
>Ok, go ahead and name a Daily Wire commentator who got upset because a black man played a character "in a totally fictional role that has nothing to do with history".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7FYo8kx7pU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_LVjWXjMEY
They also make complaining videos about Barbie, Taylor Swift, The Last of Us, ROP, She-Hulk etc. It's genuinely laughable.
>I had never heard of Heelvsbabyface before, so if that's the "most notable" instance, then it supports my point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRn0M_clHRY
Did you watch the first video? It starts off discussing how the left complained when a white guy got the role of Fidel Castro, and then it went on to describe other instances of white actors getting forced out of roles because the left complained.
The second video by Michael Knowledge discussed Ariel, who is taken from The Little Mermaid, which is based on the historic fairly tale by Hans Christian Andersen from Denmark in 1837. In other words, it does have something to do with history.
And just so we're clear, are you saying you would have zero problem with a white John Henry or even a white Black Panther superhero (a totally fictional role having nothing to do with history)?
>Did you watch the first video? It starts off discussing how the left complained when a white guy got the role of Fidel Castro, and then it went on to describe other instances of white actors getting forced out of roles because the left complained.
I didn't say that the left didn't complain, I just said that the right also complains about shit in TV. The Daily Wire has a review arm where they complain about LGBT people in TV/film (The Last of Us, Lightyear), or how women are portrayed (She-Hulk), or progressivism in general (Barbie). There are tons of caustic critics on Youtube that pump out video after video complaining about 'woke' TV and film.
>The second video by Michael Knowledge discussed Ariel, who is taken from The Little Mermaid, which is based on the historic fairly tale by Hans Christian Andersen from Denmark in 1837. In other words, it does have something to do with history.
It's still a fictional setting. The Little Mermaid didn't literally exist. I really don't care if it's adapted differently.
>And just so we're clear, are you saying you would have zero problem with a white John Henry or even a white Black Panther superhero (a totally fictional role having nothing to do with history)?
It would defeat the purpose of John Henry, it seems. Although I don't personally care.
Black Panther I couldn't care less. I think people obsess too much over capeshit to the point where it's laughable.
They're the same as you. They have dumb opinions and the post online. Most have an opinion that will most likely change over the years. I've seen libs go con and cons go lib. They're all human and none are perfect. Get over the culture war. It bullshit and a sign of mental weakness.
As for this actress, I hope she does well. Getting paid to act is a big accomplishment in theater and film.
Robot says what?
shareThe irony of a leftist calling right wingers snowflakes when you guys demonstrated snowflake behaviour for years. I'm not a right winger, can't stand them but even I can see the left are more mentally fragile, heck, the right won't go berserk if you point out how many genders there are.
Why do racists right wingers feel that they deserve roles due to their skin color rather than their talent?