So whose a neo-nazi here?
C'mon out and show yourselves. Putin would like to have a word with you.
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Apparently what Putin was referring to is a group called Azov. They're a right-wing socialist paramilitary group in Ukraine. Now, whether or not this is propaganda is hard to say. I think it might hold some weight and to some degree this gave Russia a legit reason to want to gain control of the Ukrainian government. This, along with not wanting Ukraine to become a member of nato is what led to this engagement.
There's a wiki link on this Azov organization. Of course, wiki is hard to verify but it looks like it could be legit.
The reason Putin does this is to emphasise Russia’s civilisational exceptionalism. It exploits the traumatic history of the Great Patriotic War (the Russian phrase for World War II) by reframing the sacrifice of the Soviet army for geopolitical reasons. In doing so, he delegitimises Ukrainian claims of sovereignty.
This has been a common theme of Putin’s since the Euromaidan in 2013, when he repeatedly referred to Ukraine as ‘fascist’. In 2014, the state justified its annexation of Crimea by noting an upsurge in ‘fascist’ activity, and now a similar kind of thing is happening today. Each day, Russian television refers to fashizm [fascism] and banderovtsy, the followers of Ukrainian nationalist and wartime partisan leader Stepan Bandera. They are thus presented as direct descendants of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators defeated by the Soviet Red Army at the end of World War II.
It is, however, true that there are some active neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Groups like the Azov Battalion are filled with white supremacists and anti-Semites who wear the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner. Some of them are also tattooed with swastiskas. They proved instrumental back in the 2010s when they helped resist rebel groups in the early stages of the occupation of Donetsk and Lukhansk.
Nevertheless, these militias represent a very small and extreme minority. In fact, the current President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, is himself Jewish and lost family members to the Holocaust.
Ultranationalist imo are useful once a country is invaded because of their hard stance on protecting the country. No war then they just annoy and hate.
Rorikon,
Once you tell anyone in the US that someone is backed by "far-right" or "neo-nazi's", people will change their minds about this war. It doesn't even have to be true because US citizens are now paranoid in regards to anything that could possibly be nationalistic and "white".
Putin could start to be seen as some kind of commie/progressive hero. I remember it wasn't that long ago when a few US political figures, like Bernie Sander and a few others, hailed commie dictators like Fidel Castro and Mao Zedong as "good guys" that are just misunderstood. Now, I'm not saying Bernie would support this war against Ukraine but who knows, some of his supporters might. It's also gaining ground among progressives to call this another "war for oil" and that somehow the big bad rich capitalists are behind it.
Although, there is also a general consensus that the ones with the biggest weapons are automatically the bad guys no matter what. Take note on the Jew/Pal situation, All Israel has to do is defend themselves against rocket attacks and people point their finger at them and call them the bad guys. So, Russia might still fail in regards to getting people to think Azov is a nazi group.
Either way, this thing is starting to look really messed up.
I haven't seen any formal statement from Azov espousing Nazi beliefs but their logo is the wolfsangel, a heraldric symbol that may have been used at some point by a Nazi division. Nazis also used swastikas but there are swastikas all over Hindu temples. I know Azov has been training grannies and kids to use weapons and I would say it was a smart move. Russia stole Crimea back in 2014 and they funded the breakaway republics in Ukraine. If there are enough fighters in Ukraine, this conflict could be Putin's Afghanistan. The only problem is that Putin might try to nuke or firebomb Ukraine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10515451/Babushka-battalion-training-Ukraine-organised-neo-NAZIS.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3195711/Now-CHILDREN-taking-arms-Shocking-pictures-inside-Ukraine-s-neo-Nazi-military-camp-recruits-young-six-learn-fire-weapons-s-ceasefire.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel * Wolfsangel heraldric symbol *
There is no way using a swastika in Europe could mean anything other than you hold some Nazi views. But I do agree, nothing officially has been said by Asov but surely they know the history of that symbol. Same thing with the wolfsangel.
"So who's" is the correct term.
Ohh by the way, it looks like Facebook has reversed it's decision to ban positive messages towards the Azov Battalion. So, I guess they're not "right wing" anymore. lol...
Here's an article on it... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facebook-is-reversing-its-ban-on-posts-praising-ukraines-far-right-azov-battalion-report-says/ar-AAUiIo7?ocid=uxbndlbing
There was a woman in an interview in Moscow who said: "We were the ones who defeted the fascists and now we begin a war just like them. Now we are the fascists. I am so ashamed to be a russian"
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