https://youtu.be/RkB-NDA300g?t=282
Around 2006-2013 and in their teens... Women have this stall phase after such events (even to this day apparently) to not say shit until a decade or so later where their memories kick and find each other to take the man that did them wrong down.
Well, it's not unique to women and it's not really about memory lapses; it's about the way people process trauma and abuse.
You should know by now, if you've been paying attention to the world around you, that most victims of abuse -- whatever their gender -- don't immediately speak out or seek legal redress. This is your clue that it's unfortunately a perfectly normal psychological process.
It's also, of course, compounded by scepticism over policing and legal systems, power dynamics when the perpetrator is famous or rich, and the fear of, a) having to relive the experience, and b) being automatically disbelieved and dismissed by utter troglodytes with their own messed-up attitudes and agendas.
I hope that helps.
You're just making shit up. You're including childhood trauma with adults. Or are you just suggesting that women never mature? I can agree with that. And if that's true, now you can understand why not to believe them, why they didn't have voter rights, and why they should be stripped of them, and treated as property again. They don't have agency, like another group of heinous people(generous use of that word).
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Well, I'm going to assume you're trolling or somehow posting from the 18th century. Either way, you're wasting my time until you can communicate like an adult human being of the twenty-first century instead of a mystically animated plum.
What does communicate like an adult mean? Oh, something else you just pulled out of your ass, Professor. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You pretend to, and that's cute but actual intelligent people see right through it.
shareWhat does communicate like an adult mean?
Well, that's the problem you have: you don't know.
I know, but you can't define it. You choose words randomly, chuck them together, and think it counts as communicating. A typical lefty that accuses everyone of exactly what they do instead and completely lack any self awareness of how you expose yourself as the fool. Now cope harder. Can't wait.
shareYes, yes.
shareYou've lost the argument by employing multiple logical fallacies.
shareYIKES...YOU HAVE GONE OFF THE DEEP END.
shareIncels like you are pathological liars. Everything in his 3rd paragraph it true and relevant.
shareSee below. Women don't process trauma slowly because of psychological processes, but because they're afraid of what will happen in the real world if they speak out.
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I never said women process trauma slowly. I said this is the way people tend to process trauma. And, yes, that is the case -- it can be a long process for people to feel in a psychological position to speak up.
Nevertheless, you're absolutely right that fear (which I alluded to when I mentioned power dynamics) is also an important factor. It can also be a long process for people to feel safe to speak up.
Both can be true. A person may need time to process trauma, and also be afraid of what will happen if they make a public or workplace accusation.
Because if it's a workplace issue, don't expect any support from HR or the higher-ups! They're there to protect the company's smooth functioning and financial well-being, and if someone who generate profits is accused, they could look at valid filmed evidence of a profit-generator eating roast baby, and declare it's a deepfake. And fire the accuser.
No, it's called bullshit. Unless you are in a coma from the rape you can call 911, you can make a police report, you can go to the hospital and they can do a rape kit... If you aren't in a coma and do none of those things then you need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to spread lies years after the fact. Too many people have had their lives destroyed because of people making shit up. It was bad enough when the psychologists got a bunch of kids to claim their daycare center was killing rabbits... but now fucking grow ass adult women seem to think making shit up is a right of passage.
shareMen stay quiet more than women. Men rarely report rape. That's not to say that they aren't raped. So, do you feel the same way about men who don't report when it happens?
shareAbsolutely, if you don't report it then shut the fuck up no matter what your gender.
shareMaybe you should the fuck up, because you sound like a nasty person anyway.
shareI really hope that no one you know, or you gets raped, or sexually assaulted. It's super fine to talk big about how you should just report it, but you have no idea the guilt, the shame, and self hatred that comes with with sexual assault. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. To lose that power, and agency over your own body is very traumatizing.
It's great to say, "go to the cops" but there are still a lot of cops who won't take you seriously. If you decide to go to the hospital first, then you still have to deal with the examination, where you are partially penetrated again. Depending on your state of mind, that can be just as devastating. Then the cops come, and yeah, they are better than they used to be, but, they may not take you seriously. Especially if alcohol was involved. Then, if charges stick, and there is a trial. The defence will dig into your life and find anything they can to discredit you, and make you even question yourself, and that you wanted it. Or you may get a judge who asks you why you didn't try to move your pelvis, or just keep your legs closed. People like you will call you liar and a slut. Most of the time, sentencing is a joke.
So please, tell me why rape victims should come forward right away??
Because if they don't come forward when it happened they have no credibility.
There is no shame in being a victim, unless of course you weren't really a victim and was enjoying the ride at the time but then regret it because you realize the guy was not as nice as you thought he was. That's the problem with these women... they have zero credibility to anyone with a brain. Oh, the liberal loons will believe it but only because they are accusing someone that isn't liberal... but if these accusation were being made against one of the darlings of the left the women would be ignored and no one would bother to even listen to them.
This all smells of a smear campaign and the only way for that to be avoided is to step up when it happens not 10 years down the road.
WOW...BOROMIR'S NEW ACCOUNT IS AN ANGRY ONE.🙄
shareYou can disagree all you want. I usually suggest that one spend some time volunteering at a rape crisis centre so they might have a better understanding of a victim's state of mind, but I won't do that here. You are so lacking empathy of any kind that you would do more harm than good, and not learn a damn thing.
shareNot sure who Boromir is but you seem to have some abnormal fixation on him. Consider some psychiatric therapy before your hurt yourself or someone else. Clearly you are unhinged.
shareTell you what. I'll come over and rape you, and bring a few leather daddies to make sure you get a chance to really explore the experience, and we'll see how you deal with it.
Seriously, fuckwad, you don't get to tell people how to deal with trauma! Especially if it's a trauma you've never experienced, and have never even worried about experiencing yourself.
Spuds will do exactly what he said. Report it and seek medical attention, like any true rape victim does. ALL of them do this, and the perp goes to jail. Stop allowing these lying cunts a pass. Stop acting like every female rape victim is a helpless retard with permanent PTSD. You're belittling women to fucking children!
shareOkay, I'm sending the leather daddies to your place, too. Hey, it's Saturday night!
shareUnless you are in a coma from the rape you can call 911
I think you lost him at "Read. Learn." - if he did that, he wouldn't be so ignorant.
shareBut that's the thing, the longer you wait, the higher it is to disbelieve. Russell is still to this day famous but in a different way and platform so them going after him now would be like if they went after him during the time it occurred. You can already see the amount of dislikes to the Channel 4 and BBC reports of the so-called allegations. You also can't discount those that want to do it in spite or be in the limelight or get something out of it.
shareYou are part of the bunch of assholes calling the women who made the accusations sluts and liars, and you wonder why they don't come forward and let the assholes pillory them?
I sincerely hope that they all go to the police and that Brand gets a fair trial, and that the judge puts a gag order on the identities of the accusers. Just because of you guys howling for their blood.
Who's claiming memory lapses?
Because every single time there's a delayed accusation, what women making accusations say is "I was afraid to speak out before this". Because speaking out can cost them their job, or mean they'll never work in their field of choice again, or they'll suffer the kind of internet pile-on that can make a person unemployable. Plus their families and/or significant others may call them a slut, or say it was all their own fault (this is largely a guilt-based "reaction formation", because people who believe they're supposed to protect their wimminfolk can get very weird when "their" woman gets assaulted in spite of their attempts to protect). Anyway, the usual internet pile-on seems to be ramping up right now, I'm already seeing the posts calling her a whore and a liar, and the same echo-chamber trolls who do this in every case of sexual misconduct all agreeing with each other that she's a whore and a liar.
As ever, thank you, Otter.
shareGood to see you back!
shareThank you. Eight months in 3 hospitals, fighting pneumonia. I know that you know what it’s like to fight back.
shareMy deepest and most sincere sympathies! I am SO glad you're better, and back home!
Because believe me, I know too much about what that much time dealing with the medical system can involve.
There's also the idea that just because someone like Danny Masterson got 30 years, doesn't mean that there aren't the cases like Brock Turner, Christopher Belter, or the judge Robin Camp. Why would we put ourselves through reliving the trauma again, and again, and again to just watch our rapists go free?
shareGuess what... you don't report it when it happens then you are enabling other women to be raped. You go to the police and file a report, it might not get prosecuted or it might... but it does get into the system and then when the next woman gets raped and files a report it gets taken much more seriously and the probability of a prosecution and conviction goes up. But the reality is many rapes especially date rapes come down to a he said she said with zero witnesses so the odds of a conviction are low.... but when you have a pattern of women reporting being dated raped by a guy you will get a prosecution and conviction... but what is gained by doing nothing until 10 years later and then deciding to jump on the he raped me band wagon? Your credibility goes down and the world knows you are an enabler that help the rapist get away with it and victimize others. So you figure out what is the best path for a rape victim doing nothing or speaking up when it happens.
sharewtf kinda bullshit strawman is this? Where did the victim say they were threatened afterwards, or somehow Russell Fucking Brand, of all people, has a say in their future work or safety? He's not fucking Weinstein. Stop lumping a bunch of SVU plots into one. You people are so fricken ridiculous. You're just make up anything in any rape case and use them ALL as an excuse for a CLEAR LIAR! when there is no relevance. Stop trying to act like a criminologist or a rape therapist. This is not a show, you gossiping simp.
shareAh yes. Another guy who's calling a woman who came forward a liar and a slut, sincerely wonders why women don't come forward sooner.
shareYes, that's really whats keeping women from coming forward sooner. What a moron.
shareAmong other things. See below.
shareSee shit. Name one time a woman immediately came forward and had the same problems these lying whores who make up shit for money do? Never happened. Everyone believes a woman who backs it up with proof and immediate action. Trump never grabbed anyone by the pussy either.
shareAh yes. Another guy who's calling a woman who came forward a liar and a slut,
Dear God, what a psycho!
That's why I tend to avoid these discussions, too many horrible human beings spewing their evil and tiny-dick energy all over the board.
It just shows they cared more about their career than doing what they felt was traumatic. That's still the case today as you can see these women accusing him won't even show their faces. Maybe it's a human nature reaction but still, even during the height of the #metoo movement they still didn't even come out with this stuff until Russell had clearly established himself in his new popular platform. They're basically barking up the same tree here but I am guessing it's only because they're now cozy with their jobs or jealous of his new found success.
Also, why wouldn't they still call them a slut or all their fault now then? Because they're older? As you can see from what you mentioned, people are already doing so and maybe some family members too. In any case, we should hear them out and have the investigation finish up before making any more harsher judgements. I'm just saying they're having the same reaction as if they reported it the day it happened, it'd just be more credible if it were sooner rather than later. You lose that trust factor the longer you wait which leads me to think they're only thinking about sucking it up to get into high positions to take down the patriarchy so to speak.
Older women are disgusted by the behavior of their younger selves and eventually disassociate entirely until they can only view themselves as victims. Each new woman that comes forward re-enforces this narrative in the others. Until they become a merry band of survivors and essentially create a cult for themselves.
shareThey were intimidated by his wealth and power. But once he joined the alt right and his influence grew, they could stay silent no longer.
sharei mean which is it. they were intimidated by his wealth and power. or they weren't intimidated as he became even more wealthy and power...
shareOver time, they saw the harm he's been doing. I think that was a factor in them being able to overcome their trauma and fear.
sharethats silly. "oh he became a right winger so it helped them overcome their trauma and fear."
but before you said they couldnt because of his power.
buddy im on the left and this sounds incredibly dumb.
reverse it. "as a high ranking democrat they were intimidated by his wealth and power. But once he joined the far left and became even more left wing and his influence grew, they could stay silent no longer."
this doesnt sound dumb to you?
What I meant was that it motivated the women. They decided to face their fears and trauma, so that the truth could finally come out. Also, time might've helped them deal with those fears and trauma. Maybe they had some good counseling. Maybe it took time to work up the courage, or seeing women come forward in similar cases made them more confident.
I'm just mentioning some possibilities. I don't know their reasons.
Intimidated or attracted to it? Sounds like the latter to me because they wanted to be in the limelight, get noticed, and feel like they're with a rock star. He even openly talked about his sexual prowess.
shareWhy women don't report rape:
1. Low number of actual convictions.
2. People will blame them for what they were wearing and/or walking alone.
3. It's still fresh in their minds and don't wanted to be subjected to relive the details in a courtroom.
4. Fear of what the rapist will do to them if they go to the authorities.
5. There are strength in numbers. If a victim finds out there are other victims years later, it will be easier to convict the rapist and the victims will feel comfortable knowing there was someone else who knows what they're going through.
6. Why does it even matter why they wait? If they have proof, they have proof. I don't give a shit if a rapist raped someone yesterday or 40 years ago. They're still a rapist.
7. Even when the rapist is convicted, the victims are still shamed.
Russell Brand wasn't lurking in the alley waiting to pounce upon these women because of the way they were dressed. We are talking about SLUTS who came on to a famous celebrity at a bar or party and then went back to his hotel suite at 3 AM to have a one night stand and then 20 years later regretted their whore-ish behavior.
shareHe admitted to being promiscuous years ago. How are they the sluts?
shareIf we are talking about legit rapes, I agree.
But the metoo 'rapes' are something else entirely, I'm afraid.
watch the vids below for more info
https://youtu.be/KB1LwYbYq6U?t=875
https://youtu.be/5Rd6t5djTEw?t=278
1. Low number of actual convictions.
I'm not sure why this should be a factor. For example, I had someone break into my car but I still called the police to report the incident despite my assumption that nothing would come of it.
2. People will blame them for what they were wearing and/or walking alone.
Seems irrelevant to cases of "date rape."
3. It's still fresh in their minds and don't wanted to be subjected to relive the details in a courtroom.
I suppose I can accept that.
4. Fear of what the rapist will do to them if they go to the authorities.
It's not like he's part of the Russian mafia.
5. There are strength in numbers. If a victim finds out there are other victims years later, it will be easier to convict the rapist and the victims will feel comfortable knowing there was someone else who knows what they're going through.
Someone has to come forward for the others to even know of their shared victimhood, so if anything, this is a reason to come forward early.
6. Why does it even matter why they wait? If they have proof, they have proof. I don't give a shit if a rapist raped someone yesterday or 40 years ago. They're still a rapist.
The problem is that they often don't have proof, and any corroborative evidence may be diminished over time, such as physical evidence, witness memory, etc.
7. Even when the rapist is convicted, the victims are still shamed.
That's because we've had too many phony rape accusations as of late. It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."
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I'm not sure why this should be a factor. For example, I had someone break into my car but I still called the police to report the incident despite my assumption that nothing would come of it.
Seems irrelevant to cases of "date rape."
It's not like he's part of the Russian mafia.
Someone has to come forward for the others to even know of their shared victimhood, so if anything, this is a reason to come forward early.
The problem is that they often don't have proof, and any corroborative evidence may be diminished over time, such as physical evidence, witness memory, etc.
That's because we've had too many phony rape accusations as of late. It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."
It's problematic to group people based on physical properties.
It can lead to the truth many times - after all, stereotypes are created for a reason - but it doesn't leave room for humanity.
We are all essentially and at our core, HUMAN BEINGS, energy that's called 'souls', we're interconnected through multiple dimensions, and our visitation to ANY physical body, regardless of race, gender, location, etc. is TEMPORARY. Energy is eternal, which means we live forever, while cultivating ourselves to higher entities. The point where we stop being human beings, is the point where we become something greater, not where we suddenly become just a physical body.
Having said all this, it's remarkable, how much the physical body CAN inhibit and dictate our expressions, value systems, thinking ability and other abilities as well. Women have certain biological quirks that allow them to do things men can't (the old chair-experiment, for example - although it's only due to a different point of gravity, so nothing to type home about).
Vice versa, OF COURSE, also applies.
It's amazing how we're supposed to forget we're human beings first, other things second (if at all), and we're supposed to IDENTIFY with race, gender, etc., but at the same time, we're NOT supposed to talk about gender differences, race differences and the like, although it's not insulting, as it's just the temporary body stuff, so why would anyone get offended?
Women have so much sexual and social power over men, but also within the system (almost never put to prison, and even when they are, shorter sentences, and even then, their prisons are much easier for women, and women can't really even R-word each other, the way men get R-worded so much when they are put to those violent hellholes).
Everyone feels sorry for women, because women have 'victim status', sometimes even exceeding children's 'victim status'. Yet, we're supposed to think of them as full adults, although they can act like toddlers..
..and get people to feel sorry for them.
Watch almost any of the 'police videos' in youtube, where they arrest women - these so-called adult human beings can act like possessed toddler-demons, kicking the cops, screaming like a banshee or worse, punching their own head against the door, screaming threats at the cops, and ALL the cops always treat them like they would a peacefully sleeping toddler. 'Aww, how cute, everythign will be all right, please give me your hand, ma'am', 'please get ouf of the car (for 30 minutes)'..
So these women can get charged with assaults, felonies, dozens of misdemeanors - what is the end result? Maybe 100-dollar fine or bail or bond or whatnot, and the woman walks the next day. A woman can be an absolutely crazy meth-head who even pleads to get help or to go to prison, but nope. They walk.
To be fair, men are also given surprisingly lenient sentences and charges are weirdly often dismissed in these videos, but I have never seen even the craziest man behave as 'demonically and toddlerlike' as the women VERY often do.
It's amazing that we still talk about equality and are supposed to think of these entities as 'adult human beings', when they can pull this kind of crap and get away with it every time.
Women have victim-status, sexual-social power, the kind men can't even dream of. It HAS to be a ridiculously strong temptation to have to resist every second of your life, when you can just send innocent men into prison by just pointing a finger, when you can beat up a cop and barely get a slap on the wrist, when you can cry and scream like a demon child and nothing bad will happen to you. Of course they're GOING to behave that way, because there are no consequences.
Now, this planet has so many problems, one of the biggest ones being 'bad parenting' and 'single mother parents', but the scope of this post doesn't quite reach.
I wish everyone would always be HONEST about victim status, 'mating psychology', power dynamics, etc..
Rape and sexual assault claims aren't taken seriously in Britain. Low prosecution rates and even lower convictions. Even if these women had gone to the police, they probably wouldn't have done anything, or not been able to gather enough evidence for the CPS.
It's a complete sham here.