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MAGA movement supports something that didn't happen in the first place

posted 2 years ago by [deleted]
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When was America (USA) EVER "great"?

What is this much-vaunted ideology that you lot, led by Trump, are trying to recreate?

If anything, I don't think I've ever heard a MAGA person or any Republican actually DEFINE what MAGA actually means in the first place.

Is it the democratic process? Because other countries, especially in Europe, have had democracy for centuries, so what makes your New World brand so special?

In fact, your USA is nowhere near the "so-called" best country in the world - your standards in many areas of society fall way short compared to European countries, so again, what makes your country so special?

The size of it? Big deal.

The population? Big deal.

What? Just define what makes the USA "great", in clearly defined terms.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

America was “never great”, so when we defeated the Nazis that wasn’t a great thing? That means you are fine with genocide and Nazism, considering the politicians you support that doesn’t surprise me.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

The Allies defeated the Nazis, not America only. And you lot were late to the war, refusing to join in until you were personally attacked. We Brits held off the Nazis all by ourselves for all that time, with the Battle of Britain crippling the Luftwaffe so Hitler had to postpone Operation Sea Lion. And Soviet Russia, of course, were decimating the Germans from the East.

It's most likely true that D-Day could never have happened without your arrival to our shores, of course, but you're implying by your statement "when we defeated the Nazis" that you Yanks won the war alone.

And the victory in WW2 was a TEAM EFFORT by many allied countries against tyranny. So never forget that.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

None of what you said mattered, the Nazis could not have been defeated without our involvement, you apparently are against defeating the Nazis which means you like genocide

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

As I said, the Communist Soviets would've beaten them with our Brit help and other non-American help, so stop thinking you Yanks single-handedly saved the day: you DIDN'T.

Or does the fact that Communists played a larger part in defeating the Nazis rather than you stick in your craw?

My ultimate point still stands: there's nothing great about America now, nor was there ever.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Yet we did help them and we did the Nazis. Whether they would have been defeated or not without us is irrelevant. You said America has never been great, well we defeated the Nazis (along with others) so therefore you don't think that's great so therefore you agree with the Nazis.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Oh, yeah(!) The only thing great about America is its ability to finish (and start) wars worldwide. Yeah, really admirable(!) (not)

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

Stop deflecting, we defeated the Nazis (along with others), are you saying that wasn't great?

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

It was great, of course (string up those Nazi bastards!) but there should be more to American exceptionalism than that. As I said, the USA has caused and has problems, like the Wall Street Crash of '29 and race relations with both blacks and Native Americans.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 2 years ago

But that's not what you said, you said America was never great so that means defeating the Nazis by your standard isn't a great thing to do.

And our racial tensions would probably be pretty much solved by now if your cult wasn't milking past racism for all it's worth. Your cult are the ones stirring up racial division, you people love racism and it's really disturbing.

[–] Corbell (10995) 2 years ago

Every now and then some anti-american lefty comes up with this and think that they are so clever.

In reality, Trump supporters have no problem defining what they mean by it, or when America was great.

You get variation between individuals on WHAT comes to their mind when they think of it, but there are plenty of good answers.

To ME, the crux of American Greatness is the idea that each generation could expect to get at least as far as the one before them and likely further.

That has been greatly undermined. But we can get there again.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

"To ME, the crux of American Greatness is the idea that each generation could expect to get at least as far as the one before them and likely further."

I'm sure that's true of European democratic societies, too.

[–] Corbell (10995) 2 years ago

Irrelevant.