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It's as if people are just craving something to stand for and find meaning in...

posted 3 years ago by TheGutterMonkey (299)
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George Floyd, Michael Brown, Breonna Taylor, et cetera. There's no evidence that any form of racism was committed against these individuals. So why does everyone continuously pretend that's the case? Or why do they instantly believe any MeToo accuser that says anything whatsoever? Or why be so quick to interpret so many little things as being either sexist, homophobic, or some other form of bigotry?

It's as if people are so eager to have something to believe in and stand for that they'll just take whatever opportunity they can without even thinking about the reality of the situation first. Without pausing and critically analyzing the situation before jumping into action. It's like some superhero in retirement who's defeated all the biggest and baddest villains, but now doesn't know what to do with himself. Doesn't know how to find meaning in his life. Because what's a hero without a foe? So he's suddenly picking fights with anyone that looks at him wrong or accidentally bumps into his shoulder. Pointing fingers and shouting that they're evildoers, deserving of the harshest punishments because of this. All as an excuse to vanquish them and feel like a big man again.

I've always considered myself a fairly liberal person. I accept that climate change is a problem, I'm pro-choice, I'm not a fan of the death penalty, I strongly supported gay marriage (back when that was a thing everyone argued about), I'm in favor of legalizing about every drug imaginable, I'm an atheist, I could give a hoot of you chop your genitals off and call yourself a female, I'd prefer if maybe everyone didn't own their own bazooka, I voted for Hillary, I never liked Trump (although, I didn't think he was the monster others treated him as), etc. But over the last few years, beginning with the MeToo witchhunts and climaxing with this whole BLM explosion (and the complete and utter denial of facts, studies, and statistics), I've decided I want nothing more to do with my liberal brethren.

I don't know if they were always like this and I was just too in the bubble to notice or if this is a new thing that's happening. But, whatever the case may be, this level of irrationality rivals (and possibly surpasses) anything I've ever seen in the modern Christian right.

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

"It's as if people are so eager to have something to believe in and stand for that they'll just take whatever opportunity they can without even thinking about the reality of the situation first"

Like the Moviechatterers who blindly support total strangers like Derek Chauvin, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstein, Michael Jackson, and other controversial figures?

[–] Kendricks (2239) 3 years ago

And you are really unable to see the massive and important difference here, or are you just unwilling due to political bias?

Derek Chauvin has a hand full of "followers", most of these stick to him out of spite because they are pissed how the press handled the case. And while wrong, I can understand their point of view.

Woody Allen, let's not pretend his case is crystal clear and assuming you live in a western country, it is not guilty until proven otherwise. Same with Polanski.

Weinstein.... who the fuck supports Weinstein you idiot?
Really?
Because you will find 2 troll posts from some deranged edgelords somewhere online you seriously compare the "support" Weinstein gets to the support the Lord of Fentanyl gets?

Dude got a fucking golden coffin, places, streets and plazas all around the world are named after him, press portrayed him like a fucking saint "trying to turn his life around" (riiiiight, see the tox. report!), his family he never fucking cared about got showered with millions of dollars from official sources as well as private sources.
The guy was a total scumbag with an impressive criminal record, time in prison etc. but the left is pretending he was some sort of saint.
Weinstein is a total scumbag and everybody despises him now.

How the FUCK can you even begin to make these absurdly retarded comparisons!?

[–] strntz (12454) 3 years ago

Same with Polanski.

Polanski drugged and raped *two* underaged girls. There are more accusations beyond those two.

Fuck him. May he burn in hell.

[–] Kendricks (2239) 3 years ago

I agree - if true.
But as you said: Accusations.

IF we learned one thing from the whole metoo bullshit witch hunt, it is to wait for actual evidence instead of just sucking down accusations and destroying people's lives based on that.

[–] strntz (12454) 3 years ago

Polanski pleaded guilty to raping the first accuser, then fled the country before he was sentenced.

[–] Kendricks (2239) 3 years ago

See my message above.

[–] TheGutterMonkey (299) 3 years ago

There are different types of people defending these men who I'd disagree with. For instance:

1. "Stans" (for lack of a better word). These people are fans of a particular celebrity or what have you and want them to be innocent, thus they believe that they're innocent. And will rationalize this in whatever way necessary (this is also what conspiracy theorists and the religious usually do).

And...

2. People who are ideologically motivated. They either have a hatred for MeToo, Wokeness, or the Left, usually. And it's become a habitual hatred. They begin to have a boy who cried wolf sort of reaction to any accusation and instantly assume the accusers are wrong whether or not they've heard any evidence for or against. These are just as bad as the Woke, as far as I'm concerned. And probably what you're thinking.

But others, myself included, are defending a person's right to be presumed innocent of any charge until they're proven to be guilty of it. I demand good evidence before accepting a belief. I think of this sorta like a militant accusation agnostic. I'm not claiming to know these people are innocent. But I'm certain that YOU don't know that they're guilty. And I vehemently dislike the idea of anyone pretending they do know, and supporting someone's punishment based on gut feelings, emotional reasoning, or on a "just in case" basis.

As for those specific people: I am highly against the witch hunts of Woody Allen and Michael Jackson (as the evidence against them is abysmal). And while I'm unsure as to whether Chauvin is guilty of anything, I am extremely skeptical about the claims that he did anything for racist reasons, was intentionally killing someone, or even that his actions were the direct cause of Floyd's death (from what I understand, he had a dangerous amount of drugs in his system that effect respiration).

Whether my opinions are due to some bias or I'm actually just using critical thinking, I suppose I wouldn't know. I think the latter, obviously.

[–] elcamino (15540) 3 years ago

I want everything to be free.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

The problem is the lack of education today. Ask anyone under 30 what they know about MLK and the only thing you'll get is a regurgitation of some of the I have a dream speech and the fact that he has a holiday. It would be nice if the schools would stop throwing out the I Have A Dream speech every year and educate the children about one of his other speeches like Some Things We Must Do where he talks about the black culture and where it is failing with a much higher criminal rate among blacks and higher welfare rate, but they don't want to teach kids about that which is more important because it would help push blacks to change for the better... In the end the educational system in this country has been taken over by people trying to ferment hatred and division.