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I used to think that Alex Jones was entertaining, and interesting,

posted 8 years ago by brux (14729)
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but now I know that he is being used for disinformation. He is
dangerous and anti-American, either allowing himself to be used
for money or got to that point by himself.

I thought his interview with Piers Morgan was hilarious, but that
is not what news is supposed to be, so now I think, sure it was
funny, but Jones and Morgan play for the same team ... and it is
not America, or even Western Civilization.

I think the country would be much better off if no one listened
to commercial TV or radio ... they are always fronting for someone
with money who is trying to get more of our money, or take away
our rights.

Democratic media, like PBS, NPR, Democracy Now!, CSPANN, and
others who do pure reporting and thoughtful analysis and editorial
is what we need.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8757) 6 years ago

In what way do you think Alex Jones is a disinformation agent? What lead you to this conclusion? What information has he provided that helps the establishment in any way?

[–] brux (14729) 6 years ago

He is a chaotic disinformation agent. Probably the first example of what I mean was after the Kennedy assassination when there were theories of conspiracy, and then all of a sudden there were all kinds of theories going everywhere ... so much so that even if you had the truth, or even proof, no one would listen to it or it would not have an effect. Whether that served the "establishment" or not, I don't know, but I also do not believe that in the definition of disinformation there is a requirement that it serve the establishment either.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8757) 6 years ago

Well usually when I've heard people use the term "disinformation agent," they're referring to someone who is being used by the government to intentionally obfuscate the truth for the purposes of sowing confusion and discord.

Are you just saying that Alex Jones talks a lot of shit and a lot of times he's wrong?

[–] brux (14729) 6 years ago

Alex Jones is wrong on about everything, but he radiates a compelling emotional tone for his followers. I totally enjoyed his gun-control interview with Piers Morgan where he put on an English accent and ridiculed Morgan.

The point is that these are personalities with nothing but emotion. None of these people could craft policy or consensus any better than Trump can, and that is what the Right Wing wants ... a totally ineffective government that is filled with a combination of incompetents and loyalists. Just think of Brownie during Katrina, the head of FEMA, buddy to W. Bush.

This Republican protocol is best illiuminated in the book "The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule" by Thomas Frank. They want a joke of a government to keep people distracted with the drama while big business does whatever they want ... and the people who run it are like Trump ... clueless about what is going on in the world and why.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8757) 6 years ago

I would say that if you're trying to push a leftist agenda, then I'm probably not the best person to try to make your case to. I'm not affiliated with either the Dems or Republicans, but I refuse to vote for a party that is trying to impose greater gun control or that feels we should let anyone stroll into the country who wants to.

But in regard to Alex Jones, he's obviously full of shit a lot of the time--like with Sandy Hook--but I think the general thrust of his message that the people who are really in control of world affairs are the super-rich, moneyed interests and not elected officials, is largely correct.

I also agree with him in that we should always be wary of government overreach and tyranny.

[–] brux (14729) 6 years ago

Your seem to dislike and even have contempt for facts.

>> the general thrust of his message that the people who are really in control of world affairs are the super-rich, moneyed interests and not elected officials

If that is your concern to get your brain's wheels spinning, what country in the world do you think is the most like that .... where moneyed interests control and there is no democracy? Maybe Russia.

Chapter 13 of Naval Intelligence Officer and Republican Malcolm Nance's book "The Plot to Destroy Democracy: How Putin and His Spies Are Undermining America and Dismantling the West " documents with meticulous detail about how Putin and Russian oligarchs ... you know what an oligarch is, right? ... are moving into American institutions such as the NRA, the media, and contributing 99% of their money to the Republican party.

You really have to read this book or listen to what Nance says to believe it is so blatent, and has actually been obvious for some time. Russia does not sell guns to Russians, it sells or licenses their guns and Eastern European designs to the US.

I hope you take a few moments to check this out, it will rock your Conservative world to pieces.

If Conservatives really want a oligarchic driven authoritarian society where voting rights are meaningless, they have only to move to Russia. Our government is not trying to take over our lives, but the Russians are trying to take over our government, and Nance proves it with unrelenting logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35iZzSFx8hE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnefEDB8ig4

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8757) 6 years ago

LOL @ "contempt for facts." We haven't even talked enough for you to make that determination.

And what I'm talking about has little to do with conservatism or liberalism. Not sure why that wasn't clear to you.

Regarding Russia, so your point is that Russia meddles in America's affairs and doesn't have the US's best interest at heart? Is that supposed to be a newsflash of some kind?

[–] brux (14729) 6 years ago

If you think you can dismiss that, or its old news, find out for yourself, or live up to what I just said about you, and understand why.

NRA, In New Document, Acknowledges More Than 20 Russian-Linked Contributors
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/11/601534305/nra-in-new-document-acknowledges-more-than-20-russian-linked-contributors

NRA got more money from Russia-linked sources than earlier reported
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/11/nra-russia-money-guns-516804

More evidence emerges on the NRA’s Russia connection.
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/148961/evidence-emerges-nras-russia-connection

This is only the NRA.

Find out about the Russia hacking, Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8757) 6 years ago

That is interesting and all, but I'm not sure how we got here or where exactly you're going with this.

We started talking about Alex Jones and his ability, or lack thereof, to get the facts straight. I then said that I think he's full of shit a lot of the time, but sometimes he is correct.

And you segued from that into a discussion about Russia's meddling.

Where are you going with this?

[–] brux (14729) 6 years ago

> but sometimes he is correct.

So is Trump, at least before he reverses himself, or re-reverse himself.
Being right doesn't mean a thing.

Modeling reality, and then explaining how to change things for the better is what's important. Not being right, sweet lies. promised or tax-cut pay-off or dog-whistle winks.

Alex Jones is a Trump lackey.

Trump is a lackey for the Russians, and moreover oligarchs throughout the world, who is lying to people with lies shaped a lot like what Jones says.

Anyone who would be an effective and patriotic American citizens wastes their time with Alex Jones, and really needs to open their eyes if they support Trump and the Republicans. Republicans are not the party they used to be, they and the billionaires who fund them are the ones who are squeezing the life out of this country.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

It's an open question whether Alex Jones is a Russian co-opted disinformation agent. He himself has admitted to appearing on Russia Today "probably 100 times or more" and traveling to Russia to meet with Russian state actors.

The FBI had been looking into his connections based on how he often pushes stories that turn out to be Russian propaganda. It sounds like the Kremlin successfully co-opted him like they did the NRA and Christian evangelicals with their pre-2016 influence campaign.