Don't deport us?


U.S. farm industry groups want President-elect Donald Trump to spare their sector from his promise of mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain heavily dependent on immigrants in the United States illegally.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-farm-groups-want-trump-spare-their-workers-deportation-2024-11-25/

Nearly half of the nation's approximately 2 million farm workers lack legal status, according to the departments of Labor and Agriculture, as well as many dairy and meatpacking workers.

Farmers have a legal option for hiring labor with the H-2A visa program, which allows employers to bring in an unlimited number of seasonal workers if they can show there are not enough U.S. workers willing, qualified and available to do the job.
The program has grown over time, with 378,000 H-2A positions certified by the Labor Department in 2023, three times more than in 2014, according to agency data.
But that figure is only about 20% of the nation's farm workers, according to the USDA. Many farmers say they cannot afford the visa's wage and housing requirements. Others have year-round labor needs that rule out the seasonal visas.

Some people I talk to feel that they are entitled to have an easy to exploit "underclass" of people who perform cheap labor for them to keep prices low. This is why they are opposed to raising the minimum wage or having any minimum wage at all.

Growing, producing, harvesting and moving food is extremely important, a living wage should be paid for all of those people who do that kind of work. Don't want to pay someone a living wage to make your food, then make it yourself, right?

Regardless of what side your on, do you want to see every illegal farm worker deported?

I think Trump will fold on deporting all illegals just like he did on prosecuting Clinton and building the wall. Does anyone think Trump will actually go through with farm worker deportations?

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Trump hired illegal immigrants for years. Enough said.

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Trump also allowed hundreds of thousands of illegals into the country while he was president and removed fewer than those who entered. Trump cares more about supplying cheap labor, than jobs for Americans.

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At this point, I hope everything he actually says happens. It will be the only way America learns its lesson and picks an actual adult as president next time.

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If Trump ends the Russia-Ukraine war by siding with Russia, we might be at war with Russia before Trump is out of office. That would be an overly harsh lesson for America to learn for electing a bozo like Trump.

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It's not overly harsh as all. America was warned for years. Either you know full well what's going to happen or you're purposely being ignorant and ignoring everything and everyone trying to explain things to you.

Hope this was worth staying home over.

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Most of the people trying to explain things to me are limiting their remarks to personal attacks are are blinded by the devotion to their cult leader.

Who here has said anything rational on the topic of Trump embracing illegal aliens and threatening to deport all of them at the same time?

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I don't get your logic on thinking peace in Ukraine would be a bad thing. Of course to have any kind of peace, both sides will have to give up something they want. Ukraine will have to give up more than Russia because they are the weaker side and they are losing. Keeping all that in mind during a peace process is not "taking Russia's side" but just being thoroughly pragmatic.

I doubt Russia will have any reason to invade Ukraine again in the future if the borders are drawn in a way that they like (like giving them Kharkov and the whole Black Sea coast including Odessa, which may be a tall order for Ukraine at this stage, but something that Russia could inevitably impose once more of the country gets needlessly destroyed). It'll be tough to swallow for Ukraine to become a landlocked country but let's face it, Galicians and Cossacks are very different people and don't need to share the same territory.

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I did not claim that peace in Ukraine is a bad thing. Peace in Ukraine would be a great thing. The peace should be on Ukraine's terms, they should not be required to give up any territory and should be compensated for their loses by aggressor Russia.

I think Russia will only be satisfied with a change in borders that nearly or completely eliminates Ukraine from the map.

I think Russia will have every incentive to invade anyone else in the future if they are not promptly put in their place now for their destruction of Ukraine.

Would you be singing the same tune if Russia invaded Alaska? Should the USA be expected to give up portions of Alaska because they might be in a weaker position due to the existing nearby (55 miles) Russian border that currently exists?

Who are you to decide that the Galicians and Cossacks don't need to share territory?

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Does anybody think Homan is fuckin' around?

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The whole farming industry in this country is largely suffering from government meddling across the board. It's crazy how some farmers are paid NOT to grow food certain years and that the government has mass-culling of livestock when there's always a use for biomass if handled efficiently, and the free market is far more efficient than the government.

For the most part it's much more heavily automated than it used to be so also very efficient from a labor perspective. There are certain sectors very heavily reliant on cheap unskilled labor, but if you take that away, they will have the choice to either hire American-born workers and have to compete for their labor by paying more, or automating. I reckon both will happen though the only thing preventing a faster move toward automation with picking certain fruit is the fact that it's cheaper (for now) to pay some illegal immigrant to do it.

Enforcing the border will cause a momentary price shock to the system but in the end it'll be a better, more sustainable system to incentivize employers to hire Americans or also hire robots and machines (as they do) as this will open up a lot of jobs in the automation industry. It'll also take pressure off of social services like education, medical care, and especially housing and finally allow a housing crash to happen (these illegal immigrants are living in cramped conditions in shared houses which boosts the demand and keeps houses more expensive than they would otherwise be). Any system that is endlessly reliant on a perpetual slave labor underclass to fuel itself is doomed to failure.

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The farming industry suffers from corporate meddling

No one wants to work in 90 degree heat in a field picking fruits and vegetables.

Enforcing the border won’t stop illegal immigration.

Congratulations, you wrote 3 whole paragraphs of nonsense

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People just don't understand that these deportations and Tariffs are going to result in HUGE price increases.

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