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Trump's battle with the treasonous deep state

posted 6 years ago by Painekiller (355)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-30/ex-cia-officer-trump-historic-battle-treasonous-deep-state

Shipp explains, “This is an historic battle between the President of the United States and what I call the ‘Shadow Government.’

"Some call this the ‘Deep State,’ and that includes the CIA, the FBI and the NSA. President Trump is the first President to stand up against this Shadow Government. They have been spying on Trump since he was a presidential candidate. So, this is huge, it’s historic and nothing like this has ever occurred in any western government...

The Shadow Government has been controlling Congress, controlling the judiciary and controlling the President of the United States. No one has stood up against them until Donald J. Trump. They did not figure on this, and he is not bound to this Shadow Government or their threats. Trump has got them quaking in their boots because they have been engaged in illegal surveillance. They have been engaged in a false counter-intelligence against the Trump campaign, literally planting spies in the Trump campaign.

I can guarantee you they are scrambling like rats trying to get off a ship. Comey points fingers at Clapper, he’s pointing fingers at Comey, there’s Loretta Lynch and on and on. They are scared because if this stuff is declassified, the American people will see what they have done. For some of these people, this amounts to treason. They attempted a coup against a duly elected President of the United States.”
Make no mistake, what happened to President Trump with the “hoax” of Russia collusion was a frame job to try to knock him out of office. Trump has called this “treason,” and when he says this, the mainstream media is silent and won’t report it. Shipp says,

“They know it, and they are trying their level best to support these Shadow Government/Deep State players because the media was complicit in this false Russia collusion. There is no way they are going to report on information that will expose their role in it...

They shot and they missed, and it was a bad miss because they tipped their hand.”

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Only an idiot would have a problem with the "Shadow Government." Because an idiot wouldn't put John Bolton in his administration. In fact the only president a Shadow Government can control is an idiot.

If you, I or anyone else were the president we wouldn't have any of the problems Trump is facing with the Deep State because we would already know what we want for the country. Its all just an out for Trumpers to defend his inability to know what he is doing or where he stands ideologically. He simply does not know. He got involved in this for celebrity. Nothing more.

Thats why we're hearing Deep State more than ever under this president. He's a complete moron who gets angry because investigations are interrupting his golf trips to Mar-a-lago. All the Shadow Government has to do is find a way to give him more golf time and they get whatever they want from him.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Only an idiot would have a problem with the "Shadow Government."

Holy crap!

Are you for real, traitor?

Who signs your NWO shill checks?

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

So no reply of substance then?

I figured as much.

If you read more you would realize I'm talking about that only an idiot as president would have a problem with the Shadow Government interfering with what he is doing. Everyone else would see it coming a mile away.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

No. Have an actual discussion. Thats how you learn. The real Deep State is tied to the Military Industrial Complex. The Deep State is why we are selling hundreds of billions in weapons to the Saudis to kill Yemenis. The Deep State is how the US is on the verge of invading Iran. The Deep State is how the US is on the verge of attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Kindly explain to me how all of that is not on Trump. If you, I or anyone else on this board were president we wouldn't be involved in any of that. Why is Trump so susceptible? And why are Trumpers so ignorant of it?

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Bolton and Pompeo are running the show. He appointed them. And they are still running roughshot over his foreign policy. How is Trump not at fault there? Because he's too stupid to see it? Thats the only possible excuse.

As for the Shadow Government comment. Here's what I wrote:

"Only an idiot would have a problem with the "Shadow Government." Because an idiot wouldn't put John Bolton in his administration."

Ignorance is not an excuse to not read the whole thing.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

The Shadow Government, the Deep State, the Military Industrial Complex, none of them want the Iran deal. They had Trump tear it up for them.

Comcast, AT&T, Time Warner, none of them want Net Neutrality. Big tech had Trump tear it up for them.

Quit pretending like this guy is fighting for any cause that benefits real Americans. You can't even try. All you can do is point to links.

Its no wonder you spam the board. You're like the much stupider version of Ben Shapiro. Talk up a storm and then get the hell out of Dodge the second anyone has any real followup.

TSD - Trump Supporter Derangement

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

The Shadow Government, the Deep State, the Military Industrial Complex, none of them want the Iran deal. They had Trump tear it up for them.

Uh the Iran "deal" was all Obama dearie, grow a brain. Obama WAS/IS the "deep state".

Now which alleged deep stater do you posit "had Trump tear it up"?

Use facts, if you can twist them enough...

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Yes. We know Obama was involved in a deal the Deep State did not like :)

We know Trump and the Deep State wanted it gone to help the Saudis and military contractors :)

The Military Industrial Complex had him tear it up. Its military contractors who absolutely do not want peace between us and Iran. Its the same people who want us to continue selling weapons to the Saudis.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Yes. We know Obama was involved in a deal the Deep State did not like :)

You know nothing, nor do you provide any factual citations or even questionable proofs.

Obama was the deeps state's toolset, period.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

MBS did not like the Iran deal. Israel did not like the Iran deal. Netanyahu lobbied hard against the Iran deal. Now that its gone we are hearing real talks about regime change in Iran. The deep state is gearing up for an invasion. The Iran deal was in the way.

You only say Obama was the deep state's toolset because it sounds good. Just like it sounded good to hear Obama was born in Kenya. Your conspiracies are just as toothless as your cousins :)

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

The deep state is gearing up for an invasion. The Iran deal was in the way.

Uh, you're daft if you have the slightest confidence we'll invade Iran, truly.

As for Obama's birth place - far less interesting to me than his actual father - CPUSA's Frank Marshall Davis!

Obama's right hand twat - Valerie Jarrett - her entire family and life - CPUSA!

Ta!

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

"Uh, you're daft if you have the slightest confidence we'll invade Iran, truly."

Its what Bolton wants. Its what the Saudis want. Its what Israel wants. But we don't know if its what Trump wants because he's a complete moron.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

https://observer.com/2019/05/trump-has-approved-sending-1500-troops-to-the-middle-east-amid-iran-escalation/

This is your Deep State.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 6 years ago

Ultravioletx - you have infinite patience in the face of such unadulterated BULLSHIT spewed by Painekiller.

It's is laughable that Paine thinks that Donald is this super negotiator, media manipulator who is putting one over on the DEEP STATE Shadow Government.

But that has happened before. This is Phil Hartmann as Reagan, Mastermind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5wfPlgKFh8

I could see THIS being true more than I can see Donald being able to make it through another ride on Air Force One without pooping his pants.

[–] JoWilli (20286) 4 years ago

unfortunately, Trump lost to the deep state and the swamp..

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

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[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Comcast, AT&T, etc are big tech not Deep State. Its even in the quote you posted.

Do you take everything the ACLU spews as gospel?

Also my quote said nothing akin to your lying allegation. In fact it was mute on "deep state" now wasn't it?

Do you get that a nominally "free press or media" is essential regardless of whether they must be spanked for becoming political content censors at some point?

Do you even grasp that the main battle line here was about bandwidth vis a vis being forced into carrying the non-paying streaming content of other providers?

Here's a cluebat for ya - when DirecTV's on-demand DVR service brings down old programs for one it uses their dedicated internet connection to do so, not the satellite link.

As such it is an ISP bandwidth vampire, not paying one penny of compensation to the viewer's chosen provider.

Now you learned something, perhaps...

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Yes I know all about Net Neutrality. The ISPs own the lines so they had Trump get rid of NN so they can charge whatever they want for people to use them. They also had Trump sign away your privacy rights to those ISPs.

NN did nothing to cost you from using those lines. NN prevented the owners of those lines from charging based on high data amounts. NN forced big tech to charge all usage evenly.

I brought up big tech because they did the same thing to Trump that the deep state did to him. They took Trump's idea that everything Obama did was bad and used it to profit off of the American people.

If you want to learn something from a youtube video. Look at Ben Shapiro's dislike number on his video defending the repeal of Net Neutrality :) And thats from his own crowd!

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Ahh so now Net Neutrality is a handout to leftists. When not too long ago it was a tool to charge them more money for everyday usage. Interesting how that changed so quickly.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Ahh so now Net Neutrality is a handout to leftists.

Don't leftists always want "free" stuff?

Cord cutting, socialism, guaranteed income, it really never stops with you statist slackers, does it?

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Quit pretending like this guy is fighting for any cause that benefits real Americans. You can't even try.

So you WANT to be owned by the Chicoms and Huawei and simultaneously invaded through Mejico?

Is that your final answer, traitor?

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

I'm sorry to tell you this but China already owns us. They don't need Mexico. We sold ourselves to China with Bush's tax cuts. Then we fell into a recession. Then Obama made the dumb mistake of making Bush's tax cuts permanent. Now Trump has lowered them even further. With so much less revenue coming in from taxes than we had in the 1990s we kept borrowing from China. The debt is still surmounting. Trump keeps boasting of his economy but its the same economy we've been experiencing for five years. That is until the record stock buybacks come back to bite us because all the wealthy CEOs are getting more ways to engage in stock manipulation.

Even on trade. The one thing Trump was supposed to be good at. He can't even accomplish it.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Infowars. I should've known. Let me know how those Obama FEMA camps turn out. Let me know how the busting of Hillary's pedophile ring goes. Let me know how the war against chemtrails, vaccines, and gay frogs goes.

Just please don't reproduce. We don't want your non-vaccinated kids near ours.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Just please don't reproduce.

A most in-keeping Proggie tradition since the 1930s!

http://www.capitolhilloutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/magaret-sanger-eugenics.jpg

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] Paedokiller (298) 4 years ago

"Stupider" Ironic - retarded grammar. Lol

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 4 years ago

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stupider

adjective, stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est.

But it's good to see you again painekiller. And it's good to know our conversation still haunts you when I completely forgot about it.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

"Even a wood chipper would be too good for your un_American carcass!"

You have repeatedly called people traitors and now you are fantasizing about how to dispose of the bodies.

You need to be banned immediately.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Meh. I'm used to it from these nutjobs. You know how fussy they get when you present them with facts.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Like your factual defense of our need for a "shadow government"?

Oh my - did you find a Constitutional citation to support that yet, traitor?

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Here's our "shadow government" at work.

https://observer.com/2019/05/trump-has-approved-sending-1500-troops-to-the-middle-east-amid-iran-escalation/

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

Yes, I believe their derp state concept may be simpler than it appears, so simple it's laughable when it suddenly makes sense.

Government is so many layers, checks and balances... "State" here is being defined as Trump, because the ones phrasing this sub(?)consciously see him as the dictator he fancies himself.

They then take anything else in government not slavishly loyal to Trump as "Deep State" solely to label the "opposition" (which is, itself, opposition to Trumps likely corruption, among other things).

[–] snepts (11123) 6 years ago

luv u !

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Hehe. You cite zerohedge as your source and expect to be taken seriously? You might as well broadcast you're an Alex Jones Infowars devotee and QAnon initiate while you're at it. Zero Hedge is a true badge of lunacy.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Hehe. You cite zerohedge as your source and expect to be taken seriously?

Predictable libtard "shoot the messenger".

Now try and refute their factual reportage, traitor.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Lulz. If you want to be taken seriously I have a suggestion for you:

https://www.newsguardtech.com/

Browser extension to assist the fake news challenged like yourself to warn you off sites that feed off your gullibility. I'm sure it will tell you that zerohedge is a big No No.

You're welcome. ;]

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Lulz. If you want to be taken seriously I have a suggestion for you:

Being taken "seriously" presumes you have the slightest capacity for such mental rigor - clearly a non-falsifiable premise in your instance.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Once again:

https://www.newsguardtech.com/

The path to credibility you so desperately seek means you have to be willing to take that first step. But it does require courage that you do sorely lack.

You're welcome. ;]

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Once again:

FIFY

https://www.whatfinger.com

Because your mind isn't a terrible thing to waste, but it'd be a shame not to try and fix it.

https://gph.is/292ZFsR

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

LoL. Sorry I don't click on your fake news links. You need to earn credibility first:

https://www.newsguardtech.com

You're welcome. ;]

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

LoL!

Hey I'm just trying to give you friendly advice so you can avoid embarrassing yourself citing brain dead sites like zerohedge.

But go ahead and keep making a fool out of yourself. I don't care. :]

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Of course I am. Zerohedge is a widely derided conspiracy loon site in the real world next to Infowars. But I bet you're a real big fan of them too huh?

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Ahh the same Mike Cernovich/Bumble Jack scam of attacking any differing opinion as a pedophile. More proof that you only dabble in conspiracy loon sites.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Ahh the same Mike Cernovich/Bumble Jack scam of attacking any differing opinion as a pedophile. More proof that you only dabble in conspiracy loon sites.

No merely an object lesson in returning unprovable personal demonization roughly in kind - you're next btw...;-)

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

I don't know why you're acting so hostile when all I'm trying to do is advise you not to advertise what a titanic tool you are by citing an alt-reality site like zerohedge. It's important for you to know you got duped.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

I don't know why you're acting so hostile when all I'm trying to do is advise you not to advertise what a titanic tool you are by citing an alt-reality site like zerohedge. It's important for you to know you got duped.

Something that you haven't the slightest capacity to prove, ergo your reliance on the trite "shoot the messenger" demonization.

Do you have even the slightest conception of how impotent and factually bereft you appear with this facile display of fact-free ad hom?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

You're the one slinging ad hom when I just have your best interests at heart. I'm just noting that you don't appear to particularly enjoy being made fun of like Alex Jones and I feel obligated to tell you why; you're not doing yourself any favors with your zerohedge tee-shirt on. When you lash out at those trying to help you all you're doing is revealing that you lack class.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

you're not doing yourself any favors with your zerohedge tee-shirt on.

And you're not providing one factual data point in your endless animus against them, imagine that!

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

Zerohedge is an investment blog. The only "journalism" they do (if you can call it that) is related to investments. They are criticized for extending their blog to alt-right conspiracy theories which involves zero journalism. Of course they would take Kevin Shipp's word for it who has been railing against "Shadow Government" ever since he believed the military tried to poison him. lol.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Zerohedge is an investment blog. The only "journalism" they do (if you can call it that) is related to investments.

Investors Business Daily, The Wall St. Journal and CNBC are also primarily investment sites - but it does not preclude their offering non-investment journalism.

But it seems you need a bit more educating, so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge or ZeroHedge[b] is described as a "markets-focused" blog,[4] that presents both in-house analysis, and analysis from investment banks, hedge funds, and other investment writers and analysts. Zero Hedge, per its motto,[a] is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles.[5] While often labeled as a financial permabear,[6][7] Zero Hedge is also seen as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip about the financial industry".[8] Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] where its editorial has been labelled by The New Yorker as being associated with the alt-right...

:-)

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

I'm glad you've turned this into a learning experience now that you've taken the time to look up the disreputable rag you're citing on Wikipedia. See, that wasn't that hard was it? ;]

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

"Disreputable rag"?

Heh, I didn't cite Newsweek in this one...

Pleased to know my scholarship has grated on you though, lol...

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

I'd like to see you make more consistent efforts to check the credibility of your sources but you are making progress. I'm glad to see you're finally showing some gratitude and humility when confronted with empirical truth. You're welcome. :}

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

I'm glad to see you're finally showing some gratitude and humility when confronted with empirical truth.

There can be some "empirical truth" in a user-edited wiki, but the odds it survives a full-on editorial slant is minimal, as the citation I provided unambiguously proved.

Alas the left largely owns the online encyclopedia idiom so it's merely a choice-free genuflection to their monolithic control to deploy it.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

All your citation unambiguously proved is your disreputable rag zerohedge is cited by the New Yorker as featuring alt-right editorials heavy on the factually challenged neo-reactionary conspiratorial populism and light on the gravitas. That's really not something you should be proud of if you want to be taken seriously.

And yes, I'm quite aware of how meticulous the New Yorker is about fact checking and sourcing. Unlike your conspiracy blog they actually place a premium on empirical truth. It's also true that facts have a well known liberal bias; it's completely understandable why someone given to citing neo-reactionary conspiracy blogs like zerohedge would be partial to believing online encyclopedias are "owned by the left".

[–] snepts (11123) 6 years ago

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[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

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[–] db20db (17297) 6 years ago

Progessives want the World to be a Better Place

Yeah, you've made it a better place for your roommates (that you're always bitching about), giving up your bedroom to them and the run of your house so you can pay your mortgage, while you routinely pass out drunk on the couch in your street clothes. Yeah, I'd really like to see a leader with your mindset correct the wrongs in this country, duh!

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

We came perilously close to having HER...%-0

[–] PresidentAckbar (1289) 6 years ago

Long live Painekiller, a True American Hero.

- RIP 2019

[–] AckbartheHutt (1370) 6 years ago

The deep state is real, which is why Trump was investigated. No President has ever been investigated after winning the election.

[–] TimMC (9143) 6 years ago

The FBI makes weird moves that only a corrupt agency would make. A lot of them were in the LV NV shooting aftermath. FBI showed the world who they really were then. The case is still open and it STAYS out of the news. FBI is useless now. But they still get paid. Wonderful.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Really having seen the corruption when Hoover was their head - context established...it's just that the closet queen actually tried to put America first against the commies consistently.

[–] Bubbathegut (18105) 6 years ago

Trump is trying to undo the corruption but Pelosi is fighting it everyday.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 6 years ago

He left you. He doesn't love you any more.

[–] AckbartheHutt (1370) 6 years ago

[–] dteam6 (5073) 6 years ago

Uhhh...first of all, does the leader of this shadow government smoke a lot and call himself CSM?

Secondly, if there was a shadow government then Trump would be the guy they would install so they could easily control him.

LMAO!!! Wow...so, you actually think Trump is this brave crusader who's "exposing" a shadow government? He's a fifth-rate conman and illiterate buffoon. He's a brash, insecure little bully who attacks left and right like a cornered dog.

If any shadow government exists, Trump answers to it whether he realizes it or not. He's a moron and morons are easy to control. See Trump supporters for proof of that.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 6 years ago

LMAO!!! Wow...so, you actually think Trump is this brave crusader who's "exposing" a shadow government? He's a fifth-rate conman and illiterate buffoon. He's a brash, insecure little bully who attacks left and right like a cornered dog.

Right? Cadet Bone Spurs at the ready! He can't handle a White House Correspondence Dinner comedian! It's an event where OTHER presidents have gone & have taken punches - but not TrumpleTHINskin.

He attacks people "because they said nasty things about me."

Welcome to the party, pal. It's the USA. We mock leaders here, we're ALLOWED. Grow a pair & suck it up.

Are the "deep state" people the ones from spy novels & movies? The ones with hidden agendas? FFS, the average government worker enters into government service & does the daily work of making the country go. They do the work because they're patriots or because they live in DC & it's a company town, easy commute.

This whole "FBI agent & his/her LOVER" thing is just Trump-icky - it's not evidence of a vast Deep State conspiracy. They were talking to each other. As people do. Expressing opinions. As people do.

Trump is a Drama Queen, no doubt. But the GOP fostered this base - these hyperbolic CHicken Littles throwing hissy fits about other AMERICANS who happen to think there's a better way to run the country than by appointing billionaires to positions in the Cabinet - IMPORTANT agencies - just to destroy those agencies or to profit off them.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

He attacks people "because they said nasty things about me."

People (Jim Acosta, Don Lemon); networks (CNN) and corporations (AT&T).

[–] Bubbathegut (18105) 6 years ago

The Truth.