I make a lot of fun of the hysterical left with regards to Trump. I have one question for Trump supporters, however: I hear Trump supporters always touting the wonderful things he's doing for the economy. My question is -- Has your life, personally, improved since he took office? If so, please explain.
shareDeafening.
shareI hear Trump supporters always touting the wonderful things he's doing for the economy
He asked for personal success stories not some loony rant
shareAnd he got ZERO stories.
I showed why.
Suck it.
Then you should have added your own.
I personally don't have any events that have improved for me since he took office. Wait, mine is a negative. I will lose most of the deduction for owning a house in my state. A HUGE loss for me. Paid my full property taxes twice last year to protect that last deduction.
Prop tax is capped @ 10k and the standard deduction has doubled so unless you reside in a mansion you have zip to worry about.
shareWhy should property taxes be capped at $10K, which I know and which is why I paid my property taxes in advance. No I don't live in a mansion or any where close to that. The doubling of the Standard Deduction doesn't help as I "Itemize". There is a reason why the Real Estate industry in certain states aren't jumping up and down about the impact.
You've yet to share your personal Trump bump.
3,840 times 2,160 equals 8,294,400
shareI live in the Midwest, which had a terrible financial downfall during Obama's administration. I don't think any one president can completely stop natural market cycles from happening, but that is when things were really bad. In the last couple of years we have had a huge boom in manufacturing, hiring and real estate values. We have been at our busiest the last year, and our average projects are totalling numbers we haven't seen in 15 years. Our customers are more confident and spend accordingly. I'm in the new home and home remodeling industry , and since so many cheap imports are no longer cost effective because of Trumps tariffs, we have started exclusively using US made products. What we discovered was they are vastly superior in quality, reduce replacements due to manufacturing issues to almost zero, and they are more consistently available and consistent in the final product. Now we are providing work for Americans and the cost difference was insignificant enough that we all constantly remark how we wish we'd be doing this for a long time. Now, I actually make more money because of our bonus structure, my house is worth more, consumer spending is up so I can have more hours than I care to, and we've hired additional employees. Let me make it clear, I realize some of this is beyond any presidents ability to control, for good or bad. However, it is undeniable that some of the current presidents policies are responsible for our betterment. This is the same story across the Midwest. I can put up with some undeniably silly tweets to have things improved as much as they have been.
sharegood for you, it is all about money man, money make the world go round.
shareThat's a fair answer. I don't live in the Midwest, so I don't know how things are going there. As to the person chiding you for using money as a measurement, whether we like it or not, money is a way to determine how things are going in this country, so the comment is kind of irrelevant.
shareI'm not sure if he was. I can't think of one person who doesn't understand the importance of income. Even if people want the government to be more concerned with social matters, those things are funded by people's taxes.
shareI live in the Midwest, which had a terrible financial downfall during Obama's administration.That didn't happen under President Obama and there were no policies that he did that caused it DESPITE the republican Party being the Party of NO that tried to stop or not approve anything that he attempted.
I notice you cut off my quote just before I made it clear that I didn't think the current president usually has a lot to do with market cycles. You crying about parties preventing a sitting president from getting things accomplished is laughably hypocritical. The auto industry bailout was bullshit and didn't help Detroit one bit when they still cut jobs and kept moving auto assembly out of the country. They SHOULD have let those companies go bankrupt like any other inefficient business. If what Obama did was so effective in the rust belt, why did that area cost Hillary the election? Your obvious ignorance and bias towards the president leads me to conclude that I don't give two shits about your skepticism towards me. I live and work here. Trust me, things are better now than they were two years ago, that's a reality.
shareDang, you beat me to it. The irony is that the current party of NO are the Dems.
shareI didn't cut off your quote for any other reason except brevity. It is also not refutable but also doesn't support the previous statement that you made nor supported the talking point that you are promoting.
The auto industry bailout was bullshit and didn't help Detroit one bit when they still cut jobs and kept moving auto assembly out of the country. They SHOULD have let those companies go bankrupt like any other inefficient business. If what Obama did was so effective in the rust belt, why did that area cost Hillary the election? Your obvious ignorance and bias towards the president leads me to conclude that I don't give two shits about your skepticism towards me. I live and work here. Trust me, things are better now than they were two years ago, that's a reality.Not supporting Hillary has nothing to do with voting for Obama. Voting against one's own interests out of spite, faux revenge or manufactured mock outrage is Ohio's choice. Calling the Auto Industry bailout ineffective is a subjective opinion not supported by any reality. You lose those jobs they aren't coming back, they weren't coming back. It showed President Obama's understanding of what looking out for the common everyday person means. The Obama administration also understood the importance of the Auto industry and the economy both Macro and Micro.
Your feigned niavete is disgusting, and the weakest way to defend a point. If you really can't understand how a lack of confidence in the Democratic party after Obama in the rust belt corresponds to Hillary losing, then nothing you say has any merit. Go play dumb with someone else.
shareYour feigned naivete is disgusting, and the weakest way to defend a point. If you really can't understand how a lack of confidence in the Democratic party after Obama in the rust belt corresponds to Hillary losing, then nothing you say has any merit. Go play dumb with someone else.I missed the part where we were discussing some of the State of Ohio's electorate's lack of confidence in the Democratic Party? What did the Democratic Party NOT do under Barack Obama that made Union Workers, Blue Collar Workers, Soccer Moms not vote for Hillary Clinton?
I answered the OP and then I answered you. YOU asked what the connection was. You're still playing dumb I see, so I won't waste any more time replying to you.
shareNo problem-o.
shareAt least you acknowledge how pathetic you are-o.
shareI answered the OP and then I answered you. YOU asked what the connection was. You're still playing dumb I see, so I won't waste any more time replying to you.And yet here you are making an effort to actually PRESS the reply option, TYPING on your keyboard, FORMING a sentence complete with an ad hominem retort and FINISHING up with an O.
I'm in the new home and home remodeling industry , and since so many cheap imports are no longer cost effective because of Trumps tariffs, we have started exclusively using US made products. What we discovered was they are vastly superior in quality, reduce replacements due to manufacturing issues to almost zero, and they are more consistently available and consistent in the final product.
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Who is this caricature of a human being you describe? I have yet to meet such a person.
I think thou projects too much.
My take home pay went up a couple hundred bucks.
I'm using it to improve my new home, that the new economy helped me afford.
A tax cut alongside increased gov't spending, aka an interest bearing loan instead of an actual cut. It's funny to see so-called Conservatives applauding recession-era fiscal policy and skyrocketing debt during a supposed "boom."
"Fiscal responsibility" was their last (claimed) standard, after they tossed out the Family Values myth.
You should have brought up the spending a few years ago when that worthless Osama Obama and his dem cronies spent more money than all other presidents put together. Its funny how the left only worry about spending when a republican is president.
shareYou should have brought up the spending a few years ago when that worthless Osama Obama and his dem cronies spent more money than all other presidents put together.
Well, I'm happy you're a mind reader and you can tell that I'm a "racist" based on 2 sentences, even though you're the only one that brought up race. BTW, Osama is a Muslim name, and Muslim, or Islam to be more precise, is a religion, not a race. The largest Muslim country is Indonesia, and they're mostly of Asian decent. And I'm in agreement with you on "We should all be concerned with wasteful spending regardless of who is President". I've always had that opinion. I was very disappointed in Trump because of the last budget. Lets talk again after the next budget.
shareWell, I'm happy you're a mind reader and you can tell that I'm a "racist" based on 2 sentences, even though you're the only one that brought up race. BTW, Osama is a Muslim name, and Muslim, or Islam to be more precise, is a religion, not a race.
yep, typical lefty. Only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see, and if you don't have anything else, whip out the old trusty "your a racist". Have a nice life.
shareHow dare a "leftie" quote you verbatim!
shareIf being a typical lefty means calling out someone who refers to Barack Obama as "Osama" as racist then yeah I'm a typical lefty. Because it's as blatantly racist as it gets and if you truly can't see that then you're not only racist, you're also not very smart. But I'm guessing you actually know it's racist and you're just doing what people like you are so good at doing; feigning ignorance.
sharethe stupid word "racist" means nothing anymore, because people like you pull it out every time you don't get your way and throw a temper tantrum.
shareHow exactly am I not getting my way in regards to you that would warrant a temper tantrum? You act like I asked to borrow the car to go out with the new kid from school and you refused. Nope, you said something blatantly racist and I called you on it. Pretty simple stuff here.
shareAnd what I said was NOT blatantly racist. I said noting about anyones race or claimed that my race was superior to anyone else race. You didn't like me calling him Osama. Too bad.
shareYeah....it was. And you didn't like me calling out your racism. Too bad.
shareIt's all good man, those of us here not suffering from TDS know you said nothing racist.
shareObama was using recession policies during a recession.
Trump is using recession policies during a claimed boom.
If you don't know the difference, you're not paying attention.
Also, I am not Left and have no comment on Obama because he is no longer President.
Well he also doesn't think referring to Barack Obama as "Osama" is racist so I'm guessing the finer nuances of fiscal policy will be well beyond his grasp.
shareBTW Frogarama, its not a "claimed" boom. Its real. We actually have a 4.2 growth. The DJIA really has gone up 32% since Trump was elected.
shareThen why is Trump using recession era policies, like doubling govt borrowing compared to Obama's last fiscal year?
Why did he freeze Federal worker pay citing "serious economic conditions" as the reason?
I'm hoping you will be the first Trump supporter on this board to finally respond to these things instead of disappearing, even if the answer is that you have no clue.
How in the world would I know that? BTW, congress makes the budget. The president signs it into law. There are actually 2 questions. Why did congress spend all that money and why did Trump sign it? I agree with you on those points. Don't blame it all on Trump though. He's only a small part of the problem. They've all been doing this for 50 years. Obama did it, Bush did it, Clinton did it (although we did have our last balanced budget with Clinton). Reagan bitched at Carter for Carters budget, then proceeded to do the same damn thing. I think the tax breaks were great, but he should have balanced it out with spending cuts across the board. But you said "claimed boom" and I just stated that its not just claimed. By all metrics, Its real. BTW, here are the budgets for the past 10 years, Trump did not double spending:
2018 United States federal budget – $4.1 trillion (submitted 2017 by President Trump)
2017 United States federal budget – $4.2 trillion (submitted 2016 by President Obama)
2016 United States federal budget – $4.0 trillion (submitted 2015 by President Obama)
2015 United States federal budget – $3.9 trillion (submitted 2014 by President Obama)
2014 United States federal budget – $3.5 trillion (submitted 2013 by President Obama)
2013 United States federal budget – $3.8 trillion (submitted 2012 by President Obama)
2012 United States federal budget – $3.7 trillion (submitted 2011 by President Obama)
2011 United States federal budget – $3.8 trillion (submitted 2010 by President Obama)
2010 United States federal budget – $3.6 trillion (submitted 2009 by President Obama)
2009 United States federal budget – $3.5 trillion (submitted 2008 by President Bush)
Trump didn't double spending, I said he doubled borrowing.
Trump claimed the economy was great basically hours before mentioning "serious economic conditions" and doing the pay feeeze, too.
That's why I say claimed. There is ample evidence that the boom is basically financed by the borrowing.
The federal government doesn't finance the economy. What Trump did was cut taxes and regulations, which gave businesses the confidence to spend and reinvest. That is whats driving this boom. The federal government has not and never will create a good economy. The only thing any government can do is take from an economy. The best thing a government can do is stay out of it unless the playing field is not even. I didn't read your comment carefully enough. I don't disagree with what you said about the borrowing. They (not just Trump, but congress) should have cut spending too, across the board.
shareCutting taxes boosted the economy.
Tax cut financed by doubled borrowing with no spending cuts.
Aka, boom financed by borrowing. That is recession era policy.
See?
Thats where you and I see things differently. You say "tax cut funded by borrowing money". I see it as borrowing money because they weren't stealing it from the tax payers". The government didn't cause this boom. Businesses caused it by having confidence in making smart business decisions. They all could have just stuffed the tax savings into their pockets, and we would have had the borrowing and NO boom.
shareThe biggest issue is still Trump saying the economy is great at one moment, and then citing "serious economic conditions" on the same day and freezing Federal worker pay (another recession era policy).
His administration keeps saying all is well, yet everything they're doing is like 2009 all over again.
You can believe their words, or you can believe their actions. I choose the latter.
P.S.... Here:
Trump creating the illusion of an economic boom through recession-era policies:
https://moviechat.org/nm0874339/Donald-J-Trump/5b5fb043514f6100149ec545/As-I-and-others-have-said-Trumps-current-economic-boom-is-artificially-inflated
I get about $300.00 a month more in my paycheck. I made about $130,000.00 in my 401k and other investments in 2017. It's on pare for a little less this year, but still the best 2 years of my life. Other than that, I guess not, but its not any worse. Just what the government should do...stay the "F" out of peoples lives.
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I'm neutral too.
Trump is objectively horrible, though, so my posts reflect that.