Yeah next he'll want to let school principals carry military grade weapons.
shareThis would shift blame on teachers if they fail to stop a shooting. Teachers always get blamed and they’re not paid enough. Absolutely ridiculous we are willing to pay for guns but can’t afford printer ink.
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I have no problem with armed security in schools in theory but the problem is that it would add potentially millions to already strained education budgets. There are over 100 public schools in Boston alone, I can only imagine the cost that would run into.
As for arming teachers, it's not what they sign up for when they pursue a career in education. While I'm sure there are educators comfortable with firearms, I'm also guessing there are schools out there where none of the teachers particularly want the responsibility of carrying a gun and it seems unfair to give candidates who would want to carry preferential treatment over those that wouldn't when it comes to hiring.
I agree with your second paragraph. Teachers are there to teach, not protect. I'm curious to know what it would cost to have armed security in every school though. I think it would be unreasonable to expect it to come out of the budget. There would need to be additional funds given to pay for it.
shareIt should come out of the defense budget, not the educational budget. Defense has tons of cash, and a good deal of it is wasted. However, they should allow teachers to be armed if they are well qualified to be so.
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I have no problem with armed security in schools in theory but the problem is that it would add potentially millions to already strained education budgets. There are over 100 public schools in Boston alone, I can only imagine the cost that would run into.
If we follow Trump's proposal for schools as an example, let's have bank tellers, athletes, store managers, etc. carry shotguns and protect the public as well. Can't wait to see Tom Brady throw the football and then shoot a gunman in the stadium during the Superbowl.
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shareSo far there have been no gunmen at the Superbowl. Plus, I think that would be the fullback's job
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If we follow Trump's proposal for schools as an example, let's have bank tellers, athletes, store managers, etc. carry shotguns and protect the public as well. Can't wait to see Tom Brady throw the football and then shoot a gunman in the stadium during the Superbowl.
Chris Kyle, credited as the best American Sniper in military history, was shot and killed at the hands of a 'bad guy' with a gun. So I guess we'll have to train teachers to shoot a little bit better than Chris Kyle?
shareYou leftiests have no logic or sense of probabilty, or scale. You find that one edge case and foolish treat it as if it were the general case.
shareThey don't have the training or temperament to protect children from a deranged shooter. They are there to indoctrinate kids, not act heroically.
Armed guards would solve the problem for the most part. School shooters are motivated by the notoriety obtained through their acts. They are unlikely to go through the act if there is a high chance of failure. We see this again and again when it comes to spree killers.
shareSo as it turned out, in Parkland, one of the armed officers waited outside the same building where students were getting killed, for four of the six deadly minutes. Security footage showed him taking up a position, gun drawn, but refused to help. He was suspended, and then chose to retire. It's news right now.
sharePeople who can't become cops become security guards. They aren't the cream of the crop. That's a generalization, but common.
shareThe guy was a cop assigned to the school. He'd been with the Sheriff's department since 1985.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html
That's just weak, then. Man up or retire.
shareWell, he did retire after he was suspended. It's really odd, this particular shooting. Parkland was named safest city in Florida last year, and yet they were prepared in case Cruz turned violent. There were many warnings about him, there were investigations into him, he was not allowed on campus with a bag, he was banned from campus, they had armed cops right there, he had threatened students, he had legally purchased the firearms... Of course, the NRA's lobbying efforts have guaranteed that there is no computerized database of legal gun ownership, and thus no ability to flag people, no ability to get a warning when a risky person buys a gun.
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns
“ I get e-mails even from police saying, ‘Can you type in the serial number and tell me who the gun is registered to?’ Every week. They think it's like a VIN number on a car. Even police. Police from everywhere. ‘Hey, can you guys hurry up and type that number in?’ ”
So here's a news flash, from Charlie: “We ain't got a registration system. Ain't nobody registering no damn guns.”
There is no national database of guns. We have no centralized record of who owns all the firearms we so vigorously debate, no hard data regarding how many people own them, how many of them are bought or sold, or how many even exist.
I sure don't want any of my guns in a database. Gun registration and tracking precedes every confiscation and genocide in modern history. When someone decides it is time for everyone of my race or theology to be exterminated, they want to first make sure we're lawfully unarmed. However, HE should have been flagged in a database, so when he made that purchase, he would have been rejected. That isn't the master plan of some NRA conspiracy, but rather good old-fashioned government ineptitude.
Did you know there IS a registry of all legally owned machine guns, supressors, short barrelled shotguns, short barrelled rifles, and AOWs? It's called the NFA registry, and it's AFU! Completely useless because of bureaucratic Peter-principle ineptitude.
I sure don't want any of my guns in a database. Gun registration and tracking precedes every confiscation and genocide in modern history. When someone decides it is time for everyone of my race or theology to be exterminated,
Yes, and the government knows exactly how many I have and where they reside. Since they aren't regularly seen as tools used suppress tyranny, they aren't rounded up prior to genocide. Interestingly, cars are much more regulated than guns, but still cause more deaths.
share Round up those evil cars then. They killing people left and right. Take away everyones cars.
Gun ownership is a constitutional right. This would be like requiring a database for people who exercise their freedom of speech. Ridiculous.
shareThe most fundamental Constitutional right is Life... And yet, basic details of our lives are in fact recorded in a national database.
There is also a database of gun ownership, it's just set up in a way to be difficult to use. No computers allowed, and gun shops keep the registration, I think. It's all in the GQ article I linked to above.
Let me know when they start registering Christians, Muslims, and Jews for practicing their faith. Until then, a national gun registry is nonsense.
shareYet you register your car and still drive.
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This is a false equivalency. There are no serious efforts under way to ban cars and there is to ban guns. When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton want an example of a nation for us to emulate in gun laws, they both heap praise on Australia. Pointing out that after the Aussies enacted their strict 1997 law, the murder rate dropped. The main provision in the Australian law was the mandatory surrender of certain registered firearms for destruction by the government.
I also notice that neither Obama or Clinton mentioned the drop in the US homicide rate without the Aussie-style confiscation.
Then you have the example of the UK.
And there is this:
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"I'm convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. Of course, it's true that politicians will then go home and say, 'This is a great law. The problem is solved.' And it's also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we'll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal."
It was sarcasm but the original argument was "All registration leads to genicide/confefiscation etc" which isn't true and is a non sequitur. I don't advocate registering firearms by the way just pointing out the fallacy of the original sttement.
shareWell since we're on Constitutional protections, freedom of religion is another one built right in. No need to worry about that or guns unless someone starts removing parts of the Constitution itself. If that happened, though, all bets would be off.
share He was still a pussy like a lot of cops when it comes down to it though. He was positioned to fire on the entrance of the building as if he thought his job was containment rather then supression of the gunmen.
He didn't retire he resigned when was most likely going to get fired. At this point he is elible for retirement if thats what youu thinking.
It will take a few more but they'll eventually seek notoriety some where else. They certainly don't want to be known as the idiot that got shot up the second he draw his weapon. After a few of those school shooters loose their badassness. Lets face it this pretty much started with columbine and mass shooters havent lost since then. Its time to turn the tide if these copy cats are to stop.
shareAlready there are police officers who, under duress and/or the influence of deep-seeded biases, are firing off their weapons and killing innocent people. Now our government wants to stick that onus on our underpaid, under-resourced teachers? Can you imagine how many ways this can go wrong? Here are just a few that come to mind: A 110 lb armed teacher gets strong armed by 210lb student who takes the weapon... A teacher hurries off to a meeting but forgets to lock up the gun cabinet, kid steals gun... A teacher gets fired and goes on a revenge shoot. Teachers are not all perfect people. Some are child molesters, abusive, racist, and undiagnosed mentally ill or diagnosed mentally ill but allowed to remain at work due to teacher shortage. What a can of worms, and all just to protect the profits of gun manufacturers!
Seems the government is doing more and more to undermine public education in every conceivable way - taking away tax credits for school supplies, ending student loan programs, and now the “armed teacher” concept.
Already there are police officers who, under duress and/or the influence of deep-seeded biases, are firing off their weapons and killing innocent people. Now our government wants to stick that onus on our underpaid, under-resourced teachers? Can you imagine how many ways this can go wrong? Here are just a few that come to mind: A 110 lb armed teacher gets strong armed by 210lb student who takes the weapon... A teacher hurries off to a meeting but forgets to lock up the gun cabinet, kid steals gun... A teacher gets fired and goes on a revenge shoot. Teachers are not all perfect people. Some are child molesters, abusive, racist, and undiagnosed mentally ill or diagnosed mentally ill but allowed to remain at work due to teacher shortage. What a can of worms, and all just to protect the profits of gun manufacturers!
Your fears are unfounded. Doing nothing in the presense of an active shooter is way more dangours then arming people and embedding them in the school system for the day an active mass shooter arrives. You libs are just making it too easy for criminals to go unchallened when they do go on the attack. These attempts at mass murder are going to happen and your attempts at disarming the community and supressing the schools ability to respond is unthinkable.
Completely agree that we should have professionals stationed at every school armed with automatic weapons. There should also be a lockbox built into the walls of all classrooms with a gun in it. The lockbox does not open unless the principal and the teacher scans their thumbprint and after that the teachers protocol is to stay in the room with the students and only use the weapon if the shooter is trying to get in. That is a much better plan than what liberals want which is to disarm law abiding citizens so that they can't protect themselves. They are more concerned with political correctness than the lives of people who follow the rules. It's really sad that the American left is so stupid.
shareHahahahahaha A lockbox in all classrooms?!? Like literally laughing out loud at this. My mom was a teacher for over 30 years and love her as I do, the idea of her having to remove a gun from a lockbox to defend her students is equal parts terrifying and hysterical. Her eyesight was so poor I doubt she'd be able to hit the side of a barn firing a gun and considering she was well into her 60s before retiring and 100 lbs soaking wet the kickback of even a small pistol would probably knock her over. Hahahaha lockbox in all classrooms...
I have no idea what percentage of teachers would want the added responsibility of handling a deadly weapon but I'd be willing to bet it would be a small one and it's an unfair request to ask of them. They are educators and this is not what they signed up for.
Still better than your plan which is to leave them helpless and defenseless. Plus I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of all of the teachers would never have to touch it, it's there for the .1% of the time where there is a deadly school shooting. I'm also not sure how good your reading comprehension is (I'm guessing it is substandard) but I do seem to remember stating that the protocol would be to lock the room and stay put, the gun is only to be used if the shooter attempts to break in. I never said that some 70 year old female teacher would be required to hunt down an armed gunman. If there's even the slightest chance that it could save lives then it needs to be done.
Sounds like you are either really stupid or you hate children, what other reason could there be than to leave them at the mercy of a crazed gunman???
Well hates a strong word and I'm certainly not in favor of anyone being murdered but put me next to a kid on a crowded plane and I can't say I'm childrens biggest fan.
But hahahahahaha a lockbox in every classroom...god that's priceless. Seriously was having such a lousy day and that laugh really helped. I know we don't like each other Hip but thanks man, I needed that today!
It would work perfectly it’s built into the wall and it is equipped with a thumbprint scanner. Under normal circumstances the teacher can not open it, the principal must first scan their thumbprint in the front office and then the teacher must scan their thumbprint.both keys must be turned for the teacher to even have access to it. It’s a foolproof plan and if there’s even the slightest chance it would save innocent lives it needs to be done. Anyone who is against this either hates children or thinks their lives aren’t worth much.
shareHahahaha foolproof plan!!! Dude you are killing me tonight!
Well I'm in favor of laws that would make it tougher for people with mental health issues to legally obtain weapons. Kinda like the regulations President Trump rolled back last year. If you're against that you must hate children. (See how dumb that argument sounds).
School budgets are stretched very thin as it is. Where are the funds for these state of the art lock boxes, weapons, and guards armed with automatic weapons coming from? Because this would run into the millions.
If a criminal wants to get a gun they will, I’m just for arming law abiding citizens so they can protect themselves. And the budget should come from the federal government and if they can’t find the money then cut congresses salary.
It is a foolproof plan the teacher would only be trained to use the gun if there’s no other option as in it’s either the gunmans life or the children’s life. I know you probably don’t care if a few innocent children die so you can blame it on the president but as for me I am choosing to let the gunman die.
"budget should come from the federal government"
You mean taxpayers. The deficit can never be too high.
You also need to provide the teachers with bullet-proof vests, helmets, shields, night-vision goggles, and other para-military equipment.
A good idea is to have bullet-proof vests, shields and helmets under the seat of each child and an emergency rope to shimmy out the window.
Now, what are your plans for protecting movie theaters, churches, malls, public transportation, concerts and parades?
I am an educator and I am not against the bullet proof vest idea but somehow that needs to be regulated because I’m telling you if they were always under the desks the kids would play around with them and they wouldn’t take it seriously. Night vision goggles wouldn’t help as they school would never be pitch black. As for those other places I agree there should be tighter security but schools are the main priority because they are government run facilities that children have to attend, we owe it to them to ensure they have maximum security. However churches cannot receive federal funds per the US constitution.
shareWe can also lower the age in order for 3 year olds to carry guns. Parents can equip them with bullet-proof vests and bullet-proof school bags and kevlar shields and helmets.
Windowless hiding areas like a basement or storage area would require night-vision goggles.
No regulation for bullet-proof vests nor guns. Not needed.
All ministers, priests, nuns, imams and rabbis are equipped with guns. Donations could provide the money. Worshipers can provide their own guns or be given a loan at entry. Same with all entrances of buses, airplanes, theaters, concerts, etc. All people from age 3 years provided a gun for safety with bullet-proof vests, helmet, shields, etc.
If a criminal wants to get a gun they will, I’m just for arming law abiding citizens so they can protect themselves.
If there’s an incident the safe is unlocked and the teacher can grab it then they stay with their students and the gun is only used if the shooter tries to get into the room. I don’t see the problem with this idea
shareThe gun should be in a canceal holster. Putting it in a safe is silly as they have to make a mad dash for the safe if an intruder bursts in their room. I've never heard of a defensive situation like this. Most stats have armed security guards or armed teachers. This is an unusual suggestion.
shareI’m actually in agreement with stronger background checks on gun sales, now let’s apply that logic to immigration and voter ID laws.
shareHey one agreement...more than I expected!
I always agreed with that, I just wish the left would stand on principle and support fair voter ID laws
shareMandatory voting in all elections or pay a fine. All Americans automatically registered when they reach 18 years old. A national ID given to all Americans which must be carried at all times.
shareNo I don’t believe in forcing people to vote, but a quick voter ID check to ensure that no one is voting who shouldn’t be is a necessity.
shareA national ID card will make this possible. We could put a chip on it to make sure it's not a forgery.
shareA necessity? Why is that? Due to the widespread voter fraud that T-rump is peddling to his sheeple?
"The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
I need an ID to buy beer and cigarettes, I need an ID to get on a plane, why should voting be any different? The chances of me being on a plane that is bombed by terrorists is very small also but we have tight security measures to ensure that small percentage of incidents doesn't happen. Same principle. And voter fraud is an issue despite what your biased source says. The truth is you don't care at all about illegal immigrants or making sure everyone has the right to vote, you just want illegals to vote because you know they will probably vote for your guy. You are using them plain and simple, you couldn't care less about them you just want to score political points.
shareBuying beer, cigarettes, flying on a plane, etc is not your 'constitutional right'. Voting is.
And voter fraud has been proven again and again that it is not an issue...despite what FOX news is telling you.
If you are an illegal alien it is NOT your constitutional right and therefore we have to make sure that's not happening.
It's also a violation of my constitutional right to have my vote cancelled out by someone who doesn't belong here
Again you don't care about anyone's constitutional rights, you just want illegals to vote so that your guy will win. If research showed that illegals would vote Republican then you would be all in favor of voter ID laws.
So FOX NEWS is sending you into a tizzy over (gasp!) illegal aliens coming into our country so they can cancel out your Republican vote and vote for a Democrat? And they even have you believing that this is 'widespread' and needs to be shut down at once? BUT they're not at all concerned with the Russians interfering with our elections?
Priceless.
So tired of Russia winning.
LOL is that the best you got? It's been repeatedly confirmed that this Russia Scandal is a made up conspiracy theory to undermine the president. The butthurt democrats created it because they were so sad and bitter about losing the election. The only people who are truly guilty of Russian Collusion are Obama and Hillary.
Illegals want government handouts and the right to vote and liberals are completely willing to cover it up and give it to them because they know it will give them guaranteed votes. You are even willing to f-ck over law abiding citizens and that is truly a sick and twisted way of thinking. If there is even one case of an illegal voting (and there are plenty) then voter ID laws are essential, there should never be a case where a law abiding citizen's vote is cancelled out by someone who shouldn't even be here.
By the way since we are apparently now going by strict interpretation of the constitution I guess any restrictions on gun sales are unconstitutional, and while we're at it since separation of church and state isn't mentioned in the constitution I guess mandated prayer in school is constitutional.
"It's been repeatedly confirmed that this Russia Scandal is a made up conspiracy theory to undermine the president."
By T-rump, Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro. Everyone else in the country seems to disagree. But stick with them - you'll get far.
"Illegals want government handouts and the right to vote"
If only it would stop there! The Knavs (Melania's illegal parents via family chain migration) are having dinner and sleep-overs in the White House with the First Family, travel to Mar-A-Lago with them, and Bedminster. Can you imagine? And I bet they voted for T-rump, too! What a racket.
Wait a second....you mean Hannity didn't report all this? Not even Judge Jeannine?
The right wing media doesn't have to confirm it, the lefts complete lack of evidence says everything, not to mention it's been proven that the FBI has been corrupted as Comey had drafted Hillary's exoneration before even investigating her.
The fact that you have to attack Melania just shows what a sexist deplorable you are. You have a problem with women, you're a misogynist and you come from the basket of deplorables that Hillary spoke of. Her parents are here on legal visas but nice try dumbass.
You really need to lay off the fake news buddy. I know you probably have like 10 extra chromosomes from being conceived from incest but the fake news is just making you even dumber (which believe it or not is apparently possible).
You never addressed my point, since you want to go by strict interpretation of the constitution that means any restrictions on gun sales are unconstitutional and prayer in school is allowed.
Why is everything an 'attack' to Rethuglikkans? What mind-set are you all in?
No one is 'attacking' Melania - it's reporting. Reporting on the hypocrisy of T-rump and the Rethuglikkans and Melania's illegal immigrant parents.
An attack is what happened in Florida last week, and SandyHook, and Columbine, etc.
Can't you figure out the difference?
It's a verbal attack dumbass and you would never apply that same level of scrutiny to Michelle Obama because you believe that all women need to think a certain way or they are traitors to their gender. You are a sexist deplorable and I have a feeling you have a race problem as well.
So are you ever going to address my previous point?
So the answer is no - you really can't figure out the difference. Everything which is oppositional to the Rethuglikkans is deemed an 'attack' by you.
So tired of Russia winning.
By the way if you think what I'm saying is crazy I learned it all from the liberal playbook.
shareHave you thought about how much a thumb print system like that would cost? Every school, every classroom wired and with a gun in a locked safe? Then there’s paying for year round maintenance on all these systems. That’s just mental. A great many problems in the world could be solved if only there were infinite resources. Your idea is unrealistic.
shareAgain congress can find room by cutting the billions of dollars they piss down the toilet every year.
shareAlso, the teacher AND the principal need to scan their thumbprint? Is the shooter supposed to wait patiently while the principal makes his way to the classroom in question? Jesus fucking Christ, dude. THINK.
shareNo the principals scanner is in the front office then they make an announcement that there is a “code orange”or whatever and that is the signal that the teachers can now can their safes and get the guns. How is that a bad idea? How could that result in anything except giving our children a higher chance of surviving? That’s not all we need to do, we also need trained experts maybe retired military? Stationed at every school. Students also need to have ID badges to ensure that no one is entering the school who shouldn’t be there.
shareAgain it’s not a perfect plan but it sure beats the hell out of leaving classroom,s defenseless. If you have a better idea I am all ears.
shareTeachers with licenses to carry a firearm should be allowed to do just that. No need to screw around with a gun safe. Several states do this already.
shareMy plan is a better plan than leaving them defenseless
share You really haven't read what I said. Sorry your done.
All I’m saying is that we give teachers a chance to defend their students if they are in danger. And having teachers actually carrying the guns at all times is a horrible idea, imagine the disruption that would cause in the classroom on a daily basis. Keep the guns locked up until they are needed
shareAll I'msaying is its not an idea at all (Teachers concceal carrying). Its a reality in many states and school districts throughout the US.
shareWhy is giving every teacher the chance to defend their students a bad idea?
share Are you not reading my posts? I am saying let teachers carry and I'm also asserting that in sme states its already being done. I think your trolling me at this point.
Why does a teacher need a gun unless there is an intruder who has a gun? Are you aware that many students have criminal records? Lets say there is a fight and the teacher tries to break it up and the student grabs the teachers gun?
shareUltimateHippo I'm from a state where certain schools already allow conceal carry teachers, and generally all allow armed security (Though some principles choose to ban armed security which is just a lib policy) and have so for many years. What you describe hasn't happened yet so I feel no obligation to entertain your hypothetical scenario. We just have a difference of opinion in terms of where the gun should be and how many there should be. I just wanted to be clear on where we both stand on this as several of you posts seemed to imply my opinion would leave classrooms defenseless.
shareThat idea is stupid on so many levels.
shareThis is such an unbelievably bad/dangerous/stupid idea for countless obvious reasons. You should really do your best to stop raging against liberals and instead rage against your own ignorance.
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Completely agree that we should have professionals stationed at every school armed with automatic weapons. There should also be a lockbox built into the walls of all classrooms with a gun in it. The lockbox does not open unless the principal and the teacher scans their thumbprint and after that the teachers protocol is to stay in the room with the students and only use the weapon if the shooter is trying to get in. That is a much better plan than what liberals want which is to disarm law abiding citizens so that they can't protect themselves. They are more concerned with political correctness than the lives of people who follow the rules. It's really sad that the American left is so stupid.
This president doesn't have any guts to stand against the corrupt establishment of weapon industries. To him, the health of those industries overshadows that of human beings. Taxpayers pay every year BILLIONS to the police and the armed forces and Trump instead of assigning the protection of schools to armed officers, he prefers to arm teachers and boost the profitability of gunmakers.
shareThe commercial "Weapons Industry" is generally made up of mom and pop manufacturers, with a few big name exceptions. The big money is in the big hardware (bombs, planes, tanks, ships). Remchester, Colt, etc have very little real pull. Even the NRA and GOA are small fish. Anyone who thinks they have a big influence on policy is probably mistaken. However, the gun OWNERS are a large portion of the voting population. They are the ones politicians fear, because they will get voted out over gun grabs.
All that being said, arming teachers as a policy, is stupid. Let them be armed if well qualified, but having a police force paid out of the national defense budget is a better idea.
I don't think that companies like Colt or Smith & Wesson are small players or that they have little pull. In any case, big or small, by non implementing strict gun control measures that among others prohibit the sale of rifles, machine guns, etc. and tax gun ownership politicians cowardly serve those industries. And implementing such laws is made harder of course by the huge number of disillusioned gun owners.
"having a police force paid out of the national defense budget is a better idea."
Of course! You already pay the police, they must provide adequate protection services in exchange. When you go to a restaurant, pay and tip, who cook and serve? The customers??
Sales of machine guns are very heavily regulated.
Also, the supreme court has ruled the police have no obligation to protect anyone.
Unfortunately. No way this plan could backfire in anyway..[spoiler](pun intended?)[/spoiler].
shareLies according to Trump.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/734231223002894337
Also, I don't see the point in arming trained teachers, these mentally or suicidal folks aren't afraid of them. They are prepared to die, how you think they could commit such crimes in the first place? It takes sheer guts to do the cowardly thing they do and when they do it, they're prepared to die for it via a cop shootout or shot in the head.
Also, I don't see the point in arming trained teachers, these mentally or suicidal folks aren't afraid of them. They are prepared to die, how you think they could commit such crimes in the first place? It takes sheer guts to do the cowardly thing they do and when they do it, they're prepared to die for it via a cop shootout or shot in the head.
My parents were both really loved teachers. Older sister is a teacher, brother a teacher, and my younger sister is going to school to be some kind of scientist... I'm the only one with no college degree so I'm the "black sheep" , but by far the most artistic.
My point is that I lived my life hearing hundreds of stories about all of their students throughout the years . Many of these students were troubled or troublesome... All had their own pain and either consciencely or uncomcienly caused worry and pain to my family, but my family loved every single one of their students . No matter what, they were committed and dedicated their lives to selflessly helping these kids no matter how brutal it got. The last thing they would ever be able to do is shoot one of these kids... Even in emergency situations. Or have them killed for that matter. Academic education and guns could and should never exist in any form of synergy.
Excellent post! What the Republicans don't understand is that your family members went to school to get a degree in education and chose a career to teach children. If they wanted to shoot guns to protect citizens, they would have joined the police academy or the military...not a college to get an education degree.
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shareThese are our children they need protection I refuse to leave them as sitting ducks when banks and shopping malls have adequite protection with security services and armed civilians. If your willing to stand by while a student is murdering other children in mass then get out of the fight. The fight is here and you libs are just getting in the way.
share"The fight is here and you libs are just getting in the way."
To clarify - the NRA and their paid lapdogs (Republicans) are getting in the way. Otherwise, this fight would be over. But since it's not....
Let's have the same security measures as they do at T-rump Towers,Mar-A-Lago, and the CPAC convention. I don't think they're relying on civilians to secure those places. Are children deserve the same security - if not better.
I'm fine with secuity guards carrying weapons and I'm fine with conceal carry teachers either is fine with me. I'm not ok with "Remove every ones guns" which is really what the left is moving towards.
I'm not concerned with Trump property security as I'm not sure how their operations work either and is irrelevant to this discussion.
I'm only paraphrasing what Trump said and was merely responding to what he had said about arming teachers. I'm only complaining about Trump's fallacy that he says these crazies are cowards and they it would deter them if there are armed folks in the building. It may deter ones that think about shooting up a school but those you see in most mass shooting where they're armed to the teeth and ready to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqSXMZTveJo
That said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoU50jYdXbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CbB8ROOLM
These schools seem to be doing fine. Maybe a bit of no guns allowed in with those door checks and only 3-5 teachers that are properly trained, biometric lock, monthly checkups to qualify for a weapon. A bit of both is what I am saying in case the door check thing gets by passed by the killer. The only issue is how to work it out with the police first responders once they arrive in order to differentiate between friend and foe.
Ok I agree that guns will not deter these actions but when an active shooter goes on the rampage there really the only solution left.