Hope it spurs him on to look at everything. What is wrong with getting a balanced view and trying to understand people's beliefs and what they think is going on. The more we question the more we understand. Seems like a certain group don't like this and the fact that Joe Rogan is worldwide to the masses worries them.
shareit is not a balanced view. all peoples beliefs aren't worth hearing and can actively encourage misinformation.
As one example for instance and I am not saying this happened on Rogans show I did not look up if he has talked to one. The more we push flat earther conspiracies and "question the cosmological mainstream narrative" the more we do not actually understand.
in particular if you have a host who doesnt have the knowledge, hasn't done the research and doesn't have the understanding to challenge them on lies, misconceptions and snake oil.
No rogan is actively a spreader of misinformation, snake oil, charlatanism and pseudo intellectualism because he as a host doest have the knowledge to challenge them on basic things. I constantly see people on the show spread nonsense. And while Rogan often challenges people, sometimes he just doesnt know what he doesnt know. it gives them a seeming legitimacy or like there is no rebuttal to their point and what they said is true.
I am not saying cancel or stop him. I m simply describing the reality.
As one example for instance and I am not saying this happened on Rogans show I did not look up if he has talked to one. The more we push flat earther conspiracies and "question the cosmological mainstream narrative" the more we do not actually understand.
to you and me sure! But often they use legitimate sounding jargon, or straight up real terms ut just purposely misinterpret it or its conclusions. And if it's so easy to debunk, why are there so many of them who believe it still? A large number of current believers kinda disproves what you are saying.
the problem is they are false equivocating actual science with what they are doing, which often isn't in the real of hard sciences ut social science.
and here comes the "science is just like the church" now.
"If people have an issue with what is said on Rogan's show, they're more than welcome to challenge any of the data."?
that is the whole problem! not only is it harder to correct a lie than speak one. The large number of people he reaches will likely never hear yours or others YouTube video rebuttal to the single line lie purported on his show.
"But it's quite telling that ALL government agencies and health authorities refuse to release or allow third-party peer-reviewed studies on the death rates associated with the vaccines. Why is that if they're so "safe and effective""
And here it starts. didn't take you long to show true colours sir. You watched the Malone interview and are now an expert virologist...
that is the whole problem! not only is it harder to correct a lie than speak one. The large number of people he reaches will likely never hear yours or others YouTube video rebuttal to the single line lie purported on his show.
And here it starts. didn't take you long to show true colours sir. You watched the Malone interview and are now an expert virologist...
CNN and MSNBC and ABC's job isn't to follow every single Joe Rogan podcast and correct every single misconception, lie ect. that does not compute. We were talking about the brand notion of multiple of rogans guests being charlatan liars and you just say "he mainstream is the one AVOIDING actual data, and simply projecting platitudes with no hard science behind it, or with quotes from "scientists" with no empirical or observable data to test. "
sir you need to make sense if we are to continue talking.
well sir enjoy your padded room I mean very logical smart theories...
CNN and MSNBC and ABC's job isn't to follow every single Joe Rogan podcast and correct every single misconception, lie ect.
We were talking about the brand notion of multiple of rogans guests being charlatan liars
No it is not. are you being for real right now? his podcasts are long they do not comb through every one and correct every single mistake on the nightly news.
sir you are making no sense.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-and-nutrition-pseudoscience/science-vs-joe-rogan
here is a good article touching on various issues
No it is not. are you being for real right now? his podcasts are long they do not comb through every one and correct every single mistake on the nightly news.
here is a good article touching on various issues
because other people/organizations have?!?! including the article I gave you!?!? and because multiple people he has brought on are known for that?? Are you being purposely dense or?
"Rogan platformed Dr. Andrew Weil, one of the kings of promoting unproven and disproven pseudomedical remedies, who ridiculed the idea that placebo effects needed to be ruled out from studies. For the record, they have to be subtracted, though, because they represent non-specific effects of everything but the intervention. However, Weil claimed enthusiastically that they should be ruled in because “that’s the meat of medicine, that’s pure healing from within.” This shows a stunning misunderstanding of scientific research."
"ogan also hosted Bret Weinstein, a former biology professor turned podcasting conspiracy theorist, and Dr. Pierre Kory, a critical care physician, for an emergency broadcast on the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 during which the taking of this antiparasitic drug was said to yield “near-perfect protection” against the disease. This is not the case."
"Abigail Shrier was welcomed on the show to talk about her provocatively titled book, Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. The book promotes a made-up diagnosis, “rapid-onset gender dysphoria,"
"Being interested in nutrition, Rogan has also aired long conversations with people on the topic of diets. Perhaps the strangest of all was with Mikhaila Peterson, who is not a dietitian, claiming that a diet consisting exclusively of beef and salt cured her arthritis. There are many, many problems with this “carnivore diet,” and it baffles me that Peterson is someone Rogan would look to for insight on what to eat."
When all else fails. just dont read the link somone sent you and act like you did!
"a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority, essentially claiming that because Rogan isn't the right kind of authority, his opinions are "misinformation"."
That is in no way an appeal to authority fallacy. You sire are talking out of your ass. please go do some basic research.
Sir I cannot explain to you basic things and expect an adult conversation. You do not even have an intellectual grasp of one of the most simplest logical fallacies.
because other people/organizations have?!?! including the article I gave you!?!? and because multiple people he has brought on are known for that?? Are you being purposely dense or?
That is in no way an appeal to authority fallacy.
my opinion is gravity doesnt exist. How can that be misinformation? thats my opinion!
apparently you didn't red what it said. Ivermectin having some Benefit is quite different than ivermectin has "“near-perfect protection” against the disease"
sir I am done here. you yourself are ignoring the information to suit your minds storyline.
You still don't even know what an appeal to authority is. it is literally in the name.
my opinion is gravity doesnt exist. How can that be misinformation? thats my opinion!
apparently you didn't red what it said. Ivermectin having some Benefit is quite different than ivermectin has "“near-perfect protection” against the disease"
sir I am done here. you yourself are ignoring the information to suit your minds storyline.
You still don't even know what an appeal to authority is. it is literally in the name.
sir you don't even know what an appeal to authority is. I told you I don't argue with children. you can't even get a simple philosophy term correct. why would I trust you on anything else?>
no that wasn't my claim about Joe Rogan. and even if ti was it wouldn't be an appeal to authority.
say. the words out loud.
appeal
to
authority.
now figure out why that isn't an appeal to authority. pardon me? the left isn't saying "listen to virologists" they are saying CNN in particular is an expert authority on covid? show me one example of the left saying "we should not listen to the virology comment and instead listen to CNN. I shall wait. one example
notice the goalpost moving however? it went form
"a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority, essentially claiming that because Rogan isn't the right kind of authority, his opinions are "misinformation"."
to
"Leftists are claiming non-scientific outlets like CNN are authorities on COVID"
sir you have many many screws loose. and are reaching
no that wasn't my claim about Joe Rogan. and even if ti was it wouldn't be an appeal to authority.
notice the goalpost moving however?
show me one example of the left saying "we should not listen to the virology comment and instead listen to CNN. I shall wait. one example
"a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority, essentially claiming that because Rogan isn't the right kind of authority, his opinions are "misinformation"."
that would be a fallacy of non authority (not sure if its coined0 where you say he is wrong because he ISN'T an authority.
you then added the CNN stuff in later because you realized you were wrong and had to add in an "authority"
sir grow up please
that would be a fallacy of non authority (not sure if its coined0 where you say he is wrong because he ISN'T an authority.
you then added the CNN stuff in later because you realized you were wrong and had to add in an "authority"
'subtext" "predication" "identifier"
I very clearly explained everything. You re trying to sound more intelligent an analytic than you really are.
you got a basic term wrong. then tried to move the goalpost. Because this wasn't about CNN origionally, this was about Joe Rogan and your appeal to authority claim.
come back when you re an adult and learn basic terms
you got a basic term wrong. then tried to move the goalpost. Because this wasn't about CNN origionally, this was about Joe Rogan and your appeal to authority claim.
I very clearly explained everything. You re trying to sound more intelligent an analytic than you really are.
come back when you re an adult and learn basic terms
ohh look changing the topic agian. sir I will talk more when you grow up
shareDamn. You should pay this guy cyguration tuition, because he just done schooled you for free. Was awfully patient and polite about it too.
It's good that you have enough sense to show him the proper respect and think of calling him "Sir" though.
I got schooled because he cant stay on topic? and doesnt even know what an appeal to authority is?
yes I normally ask for education from on someone who would fail a first year philosophy class.
Good on you for trying to fight the good fight, this site is packed with right wing nut jobs, not even just relatively normal republicans. I noticed that you haven't posted much so I just wanted to let you know that you aren't alone. I can see this absurdity too.
shareTo left wing nut jobs everyone seems like a right wing nut job
shareI Do not see this false equivalency for the majority of "leftists" on here
for instant I had kspksp say the confederate flag (and swastika) arent racist cause its inanimate. Despite trying to explain symbolism to them they said no. Only to say the Star of David jews war was racist.... then say "well it was mostly poor southerners who fought in the civil war so it wasnt racist"
Then when on that same post about the anti mandate convoy having confederate flags, another right winger posted that it was obviously a CIA covert op to make them look back
Meanwhile Moviechatuser479 despite being sent video of hundreds of jan 6th rioters being violent said "there was only a couple violent, no weapons used, and all they did was shove past police". he also said the video wasnt real it was edited.
There are certainly some far left wing people I disagree with. But the pure misinformation, extremist and unwilling to recognize objective facts infront of them is astounding
That GoPro YouTube video proves nothing. They are using a crappy camera lens which causing everything to look ballooned and curved. All rectilinear lines in the video appear to have some curvature depending on the direction the camera is facing.
shareIn the steady shots everything that's supposed to have rectitude does, here's an example with a line showing that the road is perfectly linear in the shot:
https://i.imgur.com/uVhbtMx.png
Near the end of the video you get a full 360 view rotation of the planet, and only North America is visible:
https://youtu.be/CQGjNu6Inak?t=7231
Here is additional footage from space, same thing:
https://youtu.be/3y0nHhFGXDo
Same thing with another one... no moon in sight, since it's on the other side of the planet:
https://youtu.be/ihA9YOcOaXU
If the planet was flat, both the sun and moon would be visible from space, but above the stratosphere you can easily see that the planet is quite rotund:
https://youtu.be/bDoh8zQDT38?t=91
All I'm saying is there is distortion based on orientation of camera:
00:00:40 : https://imgur.com/Ls2eNzv (horizon has strong curvature)
00:00:41 : https://imgur.com/vIh0Nxb (horizon has less curvature)
A better example:
00:08:46 : https://imgur.com/b8FfPu3 (horizon appears concave)
00:08:47 : https://imgur.com/Ea9P2li (horizon appears flat)
00:08:48 : https://imgur.com/YIvlDXq (horizon appears strongly convex)
Obviously if the camera is oriented above the horizon, the horizon will appear concave; if below, then it's convex in appearance. So the whole video proves nothing. With the 00:08:46 image, you could argue that we live on the inside of a sphere.
And this one all the way up:
02:08:48 : https://imgur.com/hBoRBq5 (looks like we live on the inside of a sphere)
All I'm saying is there is distortion based on orientation of camera:
Obviously if the camera is oriented above the horizon, the horizon will appear concave; if below, then it's convex in appearance. So the whole video proves nothing.
Clearly flat. The Earth is just a flat circle as clearly shown in the GoPro.
shareHe's not spreading misinformation. CNN is.
The CNN doctor even said that CNN was wrong for spreading misinformation on Ivermectin.
Sanjay Gupta.
Where is the Cancel Parade for CNN.
Their own doctor admitted they were spreading misinfo.
THEIR OWN DOCTOR.
Why aren't YOU talking about that?
LOL.
We all know why.
Party politics.
Pathetic.
HELL NO I DON'T BELONG TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY
" host who doesnt have the knowledge, hasn't done the research and doesn't have the understanding to challenge them on lies, misconceptions and snake oil."
Well do it then The Robert Malone interview is the one the establishment is up in arms about. Provide us with an intelligent and well thought out rebuttal to Dr.Malone's claims. Enlighten us.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jan/06/who-robert-malone-joe-rogans-guest-was-vaccine-sci/
sharePolitifact is hot garbage that just pushes the mainstream propaganda. I want *you* to make a compelling case challenging Dr. Malone's points. Can you do it?
shareamazing! anything that disagrees is Mainstream! what an unassailable position!!
here let me try it! you bring up a facts and ill say "its mainstream lies!"
see that works right?
"all peoples beliefs aren't worth hearing"
said Hitler...
"I have a msutache"
said Hitler!!!!
"I am a vegetarian!!"
said hitler!
"cigarettes are bad"
said hitler!!!
sir referencing "just like hitler:that is what teens in high school do. I have finite time and energy, so does society for addressing every quack. SO yes giving flat earth's, pro wife beaters, pro-pedi groups time on national debate stages constantly may not be best for society. we have moved on from many debates. like slavery. we don't need to restart them
Hitler had a msutache?
sharemus·tache
/ˈməsˌtaSH,məˈstaSH/
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noun
noun: moustache; plural noun: moustaches; noun: mustache; plural noun: mustaches
a strip of hair left to grow above the upper lip.
Instead of owning up to your silly comment you tried that..
Right, MY comment was silly...LOL!!!
shareyes it was and I explained why. I used to do that too when I was a teenager.
shareListen, twat, you and your ilk call everybody under the sun who disagrees with you Hitler. Now that you've gotten a taste of your own medicine, you want to take the high road. Bad news. You don't get to.
In the interest of good sportsmanship, I'll grant you the last word in this exchange. Try to use the opportunity to better yourself, instead of lobbing yet another insult at me for reminding you of who you really are.
I all everyone Hitler? could you please provide a source?
You don't seem to make sense.
can I say the same? "you and your ilk call everyone communists you don't get to take the high road"
I don't need to better myself. I think critically and try and avoid fallacies. I try and give reasoned responses and address rebuttals the same way.
all I have gotten rom you so far is pure and utter garbage.
I disagree with most of what you've said. At the same time, I do think that when dealing with a controversial issue, he should invite 2 people from opposite camps of thought and hold a debate. I think it's fascinating that anti-mandate people all want a debate, while pro-mandate fearmongers are vehemently opposed to one.
sharehttps://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-and-nutrition-pseudoscience/science-vs-joe-rogan
this seems to give a good summation of how rogan seems to find value in it "not being the mainstream" makes it have some truth.
mandates are based on the best available current evidence to try and stop the spread.
the USA adjusting for population had 3x the deaths canada did. thats the only numbers I need
how did that anti mandate work out for you?
You are oversimplifying the issue.
Sweden barely had any mandates and it featured only a few more deaths than Canada per capita.
USA has many major issues - including the obesity pandemic. You are looking at the mandates as being the cause of lower number of deaths in countries outside of the US, while the reality is such that the real cause of deaths is not related to mandates at all.
We also need to be mindful of how deaths are counted at all - as they tend to differ in every country. USA goes extreme - counting 'with covid' and 'because of covid' as one and the same. It also provides by far bigger incentives to hospitals to inflate covid numbers.
You are referencing a pseudo-scientist shill who is a proponent of the 'ivermectin is a horse dewormer' narrative - try harder next time.
https://twitter.com/crackedscience/status/1489394951528099842
You didnt even do the basics... and adjust for population???
Sweden has 10 million- 16k covid deaths
canada has 37 million- 34k
So yes adjusting for a population like Canadas, Sweden would have 60k covid deaths. vs Canadas
You cant even be bothered to do the basics?
1. did you even read the tweet.
2. he isnt a pseudo scientist. he is a real scientist.
Which conspiracy theory dont you prescribe to sir??
1. made-up covid numbers
2. its all due to obesity
3. mandates dont work.
not related to mandates? says you? not the experts thought. Sweden also took the virus more seriously and has a higher vaccine rate.
wow more covid data conspiracies.....
How was Rogen's claim that the moon landings were fake, balanced? Those claims were just uninformed stupidity.
share"Misinformation"
The new buzzword of those who don't want their lies exposed and the useful ignoramuses who believe them.
Precisely. There is no “‘misinformation”. There’s just information.
Perhaps if the communist Democrat party hadn’t ruined public education regular people would be better equipped to handle information.
No there is misinformation. It is not a new word or term.
" is incorrect or misleading information unintentionally presented as fact"
or
"false information, gossip, disinformation, misleading information,"
crazy where you will deny English etymology to push your political point.. the right wing have gone over the edge.
There is no way to censor lies without censoring the truth. It only does more damage to try (which is something Americans once understood). Today, it seems progressives only trust themselves to distinguish truth from lies even though they - like everyone else - routinely fail when the lie suits their interests. They live by the philosophy: “You cannot be trusted to judge the credibility of information on your own…. I, as a superior intellect, must make sure you are programmed with the correct thoughts.” They get people to capitulate by fear of being ostracized rather than conviction. That is an authoritarian recipe doomed to failure. Rogan’s popularity is because his audience seeks controversial and dissenting views because to hear unapproved dialogue provides a sense of freedom. It also happens to annoy those who think themselves the better. Thus IMHO, this whole exercise to silence and “de-platform” Rogan has only amplified his voice.
shareCurious where I said any of these people should be censored?
no sometimes misinformation is just misinformation. And yes if someone brings on a flat earther, I will use my superior intellect to mock them as they should be. The problem with America is the "progressives want to censor everything". Its things like Joe Rogan guests and you.. Where you give a false equivalence between facts, reality and science being equal to unsupported opinion and quackery nut jobs. often the right criticize leftist postmodernist nonsense position on "truth".
But that seems to be the rights entire belief. There is no superior way of thinking, there is no facts. my insane conspiracy theories and quackery is equal to and should be given the same amount of respect as legitimate science.
Okay sir. Everything is authoritarianism and the progressives.
Do you ever stop and use your brain? rather than these paranoid fearful fantasies you and many other conservatives on here seem to obsess over?
I’m not going to engage in hurling ad hominems back at you. I’m not giving any equivalence between factual and baseless positions and I think you’re too eager to paint the defending of somebody’s right to speak as tantamount to agreeing with them. I encourage high standards of accuracy and criticism of conjecture especially when it comes to an issue of the magnitude of a pandemic. However, I stand by my position that these highly publicized efforts to silence Rogan via threats and ultimatums are obnoxious and will only attract a larger audience; the complete opposite of what was intended by Young.
shareRogan is informing millions. Something the Democrat party/media hasn’t done for decades.
share