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What is rape or assault?

posted 3 years ago by Heisenberg (6730)
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At what point on a date can you take your dick out and use it without fear of being called a rapist?

I read the HR article. Noth was never told clearly "NO" by his accusers. It sounds to me like he just was aggressive and forward, which can be part of perfectly legitimate sex.
He is a celebrity, looked good and had charm, and his "victims" liked him and were going along with it. But afterwards they regretted the whole deal.
To make sure they wanted it too, was he supposed to pull out pen and paper and ask for a signed agreement?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

> It sounds to me like he just was aggressive and forward, which can be part of perfectly legitimate sex.

Not if the woman complains about it afterward. There are various degrees of cad-ity, and not all of them are illegal or actionable, but people in power positions trade secrets on how to fuck with people. They take comfort in the knuckle-dragging kinds of comments that MovieChat is so full of.

You might check out the show "The Morning Show" with Steve Carrell which touches on this issue in a pretty interesting and intelligent way.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Who cares about comments or secrets. I am talking about the law.
I think the woman can complain as much as she wants afterwards, some actions cannot constitute these crimes if you never say no, and if you take an active part in them.
The line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the law is clear enough to disqualify these claims.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

The law evolves.

> I am talking about the law.

You seem to be talking about your opinion.

> the law is clear enough to disqualify these claims.

Then the law is an ass, and needs to change.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

No man, YOU are talking about your opinion.

I am talking about facts and established rules.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

You're taking ess aitch aye tee.

[–] sslssg (34334) 3 years ago

Here you go
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/920

To make sure they wanted it too, was he supposed to pull out pen and paper and ask for a signed agreement?

Ask. Instead of grabbing someone and kissing them, say "I'd like to kiss you." Wait for a response. It's not difficult at all.

[–] GirlNamedSue (240) 3 years ago

Oh good God, if a man asked if he could kiss me, I'd laugh at him and never date him again. I prefer men, not some beta soyboys.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

But if you go to his apartment, flirt with him all evening, and possibly act interested, then you certainly must expect him to say "I'd like to kiss you" and wait for your response. Come on, that is what any man would do, especially if the law does not expect such gayness.
And if he doesn't, fuck, you know now you are on a date with a rapist!!!

[–] GirlNamedSue (240) 3 years ago

"Come on, that is what any cuck would do"

Fixed it for you.

[–] Kendricks (2239) 3 years ago

You didn't get her point at all.
Asking to kiss someone is so incredibly lame and if you'd do an anonymous poll among women, you'd be surprised to see how many (most, by far) consider this a turn off.

What ever happened to turning your head away or saying something while the man tries to kiss a woman?
How are we talking about this and RAPE in the same thread?

Woman want to be impressed and conquered, not "asked".
They like sexually aggressive men who confidently try to take what they want, not ask like some shy degenerate.
It is all part of the human mating game. Always was, always will be, no matter what the SJW movement tries to do to men.

What's next? Asking for every damn step in bed as well like some feminazis already advocate for?
"Hey is it okay if I touch you here? Okay and can I touch you there? Okay and what abou-"
9/10 times the response will be "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO IT!"

And if it is something they don't want... magic! They WILL let you know - so where's the issue? Right, there is none, never was and never will be aside for "what can I be upset about today" people that lost control over their life and connection to reality.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Are you shitting me or were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?
I got her point quite clearly, obviously.
Re-read my post. Ever heard of sarcasm?

[–] Kendricks (2239) 3 years ago

Actually I thought you were the guy she originally responded to, my mistake.

That aside...
How would I know if what you said is sarcasm considering that the internet is FULL with people saying exactly these things - unironically?

The "haha he's sarcastic!" times are long over, we are surrounded by crazy people who are dead serious when they say anything like that.

[–] sslssg (34334) 3 years ago

It all depends on the how it's done. I mean hey, if you like men, and not beta soyboys, good for you. I don't even know what a beta soyboy is. The thing is, consent is important no matter who is doing the kissing or whatever else. If you don't give your consent verbally, there are many other ways to give it.

People aren't mind readers, and not all people are good at body language, and some people aren't good at saying the actual word "no" even though they are terrified. The words don't have to be " can I kiss you?" but if it's a first time with someone, I see nothing weak about a person making sure the other person wants it.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Sometimes being grabbed and kissed by a man can also be nice though.

[–] sslssg (34334) 3 years ago

It sure can, it can also be traumatizing. Say that man is someone you find absolutely revolting. Is that nice?