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The world is lucky this guy was assassinated.


He was probably one of the worst Presidents in American history.

He betrayed the Cubans at the Bay of Pigs.

He brought the world to the brink of a nuclear disaster.

He pushed no civil rights legislation through Congress. Thank god Lyndon Johnson succeeded him to do the job he couldn't or wouldn't do.

Oh, but he f****d Marilyn Monroe and apparently some teenage girl.

Why is this creep considered a good President? He accomplished nothing and only created chaos.

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Please provide reliable sources for every claim you've made here.

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C’mon! Where’s the fun in that?

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I know, my request was severely old fashioned.

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It's all commonly known. Google is your friend.

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The Bay of Pigs Invasion was a failed military landing operation on the southwestern coast of Cuba in 1961 by Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front, consisting of Cuban exiles who opposed Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution, covertly financed and directed by the U.S. government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion


Who was at fault for the Bay of Pigs?

U.S. involvement in the Bay of Pigs was the worst kept secret in history. In all fairness to President Kennedy, he accepted full responsibility for the failure. President Kennedy owned up to the Bay of Pigs and took complete blame.Apr 18, 2021

The worse I do, the more popular I get.”

President John F. Kennedy on his high approval rating in the wake of the Bay of Pigs.

https://www.thenewsherald.com/2021/04/18/bay-of-pigs-was-jfks-responsibility/


Did Bay of Pigs lead to Cuban missile crisis?

John F. Kennedy came out of the crisis in a much better position. His calm but firm stance in the negotiations was heralded as great statesmanship, though it is often forgotten that his bungling of the Bay of Pigs invasion had helped lead to the missile crisis in the first place.

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/postwarera/1960s-america/a/the-cuban-missile-crisis


Unfortunately, President Kennedy was not able to pass the legislation during his time in office. However, President Lyndon B. Johnson continued the fight and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (H.R. 7152) was officially signed into law on July 2, 1964.Feb 1, 2022

https://jfk.blogs.archives.gov/2022/02/01/the-civil-rights-act-of-1964/


As for being a chump who cheated on his wife, the affair with Monroe was rumored. And his affair with the teenage girl is covered elsewhere on this board.

The guy was scum. Who knows what havoc he would created had he not been taken out? Thank god for Oswald.

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He was young. He made mistakes. The government we got as a result of his death was/is far worse than anything he did or would have done.

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My problem here is that JFK has been deified because he was young goodlooking and assassinated. It didn't hurt that he was from a wealthy powerful family.

But he was a lousy President.

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"But he was a lousy President."

120,000, the largest turnout for one of his speeches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ha9GJwlus8 He had incredible charisma.

Your problem here is that you're just biased, resentful, and maybe even jealous.


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Lol. You guys asked for a list and I gave you a list with links.

Yeah, he had charisma. But no substance.

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"But no substance."

Coming from a guy whose claim to a position of leadership and being a credible judge of that position is having been a moderator on filmboards, widely regarded here as a sewer on the internet.

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I was Admin on filmboards, not a mod.

What does that have to do with JFK?

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Ok, Admin, not a mod...even worse!

What part of "leadership" in that context did you not understand?

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You're right. Being Admin on filmboards is a definite qualification to run for President of the USA!

Still not sure what that has to do with JFK.

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Speaking of "run"...like you did from filmboards and the Mormon church? 🤨

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Lol. Weird ad hominems which have nothing to do with JFK's Presidency.

What's your user name on filmboards?

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"Weird ad hominems" allegation coming from a prick that titles his thread, 'The world is lucky this guy was assassinated'. Damn if that doesn't come across as personal and especially vicious!

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We're talking about a powerful man, one who himself ordered the death of a Vietnamese President. Sorry, I don't think it's wrong to be happy his disastrous term was cut short when he himself had a Vietnamese leader murdered. Not a nice guy here.

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My god, somebody actually wanted cited sources for the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis...LOL

This world is fucked, people are so fucking stupid.

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Thanks. At least somebody gets it. If they disagree then present a fair rebuttal. But they're more upset that someone dare say their icon was not all we've been told for the past 60 years.

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Yes, he took a teen intern and basically made her his sex slave. What really disgusted me about that is that he instructed her to blow his friend at a party.

Democrat family values I see.

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"He betrayed the Cubans at the Bay of Pigs."
This is the Lee Harvey Oswald supposed rationale to justify the assassination. In reality, he defied this plot by the CIA.

"He brought the world to the brink of a nuclear disaster."
In reality, both he and Krushcev, in secret talks, were trying to avert that outcome and they succeeded.

"He pushed no civil rights legislation through Congress."
If he hadn't pushed, then why would the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have even happened? LBJ's own words in further pushing the legislation: "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long."

Btw, as far as thanking Lyndon Johnson for his accomplishments, within 4 days of the assassination, he completely reversed Kennedy's executive order to withdraw all troops from Vietnam by Dec. of that year, and by 1968, we had 500,000 there, almost 60,000 of which died.

And finally, you sum up your stupid argument by slinging mud at a man publicly murdered 60 years ago, by trying to make an issue of his having been a known womanizer, a very moot issue at this point.

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Oh, thanks for reminding me of Vietnam. In true fashion to his mishandling of the Bay of Pigs, he got us mired in Vietnam. He also had Vietnamese President Diem assassinated. Karma is a bitch! Justice that he was assassinated himself.

Under the Kennedy administration, however, the U.S. began to invest heavily in the growingly troublesome situation in Vietnam. In his short three-year term, Kennedy had increased the number of American military advisors in South Vietnam from seven hundred to over sixteen thousand, way higher than allotted in the 1954 Geneva Accords. Kennedy also more than doubled the U.S.’s foreign aid package from $223 million to $471 million (Cohen 349). Critically, Kennedy also oversaw the assassination of South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem, representing a targeted and irreversible infringement in Vietnam from the U.S. Marc Selverstone writes that Kennedy and his team’s decision to overthrow Diem in November of 1963 represented, “an act that perpetuated, and arguably exacerbated, [Vietnam’s] political instability”, no doubt bringing the U.S. closer to the brink of war in Vietnam (Selverstone, Miller Center).

https://dh.scu.edu/exhibits/exhibits/show/vietnam-war-from-truman-to-nix/john-f-kennedy


There would have been no Cuban missile crisis without JFK's bungling of the Bay of Pigs.

And JFK's back and forth hemming and hawing is what caused the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

Perhaps if JFK wasn't so busy cheating on his wife and fucking everything that moves, he would have had more time to get the Civil Rights Act through.

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He was cut down by assassins before being able to bring the Civil Rights Act to fruition. And there you go again, trying to validate your argument by attacking the man's personal life, which I've already said is common knowledge by now. Smear tactics are an indication of a weak argument.

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Hahaha. I've backed up every one of my arguments with facts and links.

What's weak is that this man is still considered a hero when he got us mired Vietnam, betrayed the Cubans, ordered the murder of a Vietnamese leader, schemed to have Castro assassinated, and passed little or no significant legislation.

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IMO, the OP's post is off base (to be euphemistic). However, I suggest you Google "JFK Vietnam JFK library" to get a better understanding of JFK and Vietnam.

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another joe biden fan - oh well...

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That makes no sense. Biden Democrats love JFK. All the good sheep do. I'm actually hoping that Biden drops dead sooner than later.

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He did lay down the challenge to land on the moon by the end of the decade.

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Agreed. One issue where he was competent.

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he prevented Nuclear War from Happening it wouldve been disatorus for EVERYONE if The Nukes Launched from Cuba and wouldve changed history for the worst.

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He bungled the Bay of Pigs invasion which emboldened the Soviets to move nukes into Cuba. No Bay of Pigs. No Soviet nukes in Cuba.

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the Bay of Pigs was going to happen anyway Kennedy saved Humanity

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No, Kennedy financed the Bay of Pigs to overthrow Castro and then chickened out and left the Cuban refugees to die. His weakness emboldened the Soviet Union. Thank god he grew a spine and was able to block the Soviets. But ultimately he created that situation.

The Bay of Pigs invasion was the failed attempt by US-backed Cuban exiles to overthrow the government of Fidel Castro. President Eisenhower authorized the operation and it was subsequently approved by President Kennedy.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/teachers/curricular-resources/the-bay-of-pigs-lessons-learned

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johnson was great.

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Agreed. He did the work. Kennedy was too busy looking for pussy.

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he should have done less work on vietnam

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Of course Vietnam was a huge mistake. But the U.S. makes the same mistake over and over - Iraq, Afghanistan, it never ends. Does the U.S. ever win a war?

And the saddest part is that our President was in Hanoi recently partying with commies. Why did we send 60k young soldiers over there to die? Obviously they're not such bad guys after all. Hypocrisy.

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jfk was much more questioning of the military than lbj. jfk didn't like or think much of the military leadership and i doubt he would have gone all in like lbj who was a military lapdog. jfk saw vietnam much like eisenhower - send a few avisors and play for time.

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Hownos, I posted this link above. Kennedy had the Vietnamese President Diem assassinated. Mind boggling to me that an American President would get involved in murder for hire. He doubled spending and increased the number of American military "advisors" from 700 to 16,000. He would have escalated the war just like Johnson.

https://dh.scu.edu/exhibits/exhibits/show/vietnam-war-from-truman-to-nix/john-f-kennedy

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advisors are not ground troops and they were originally sent there by eisenhower. i believe jfk would have followed the eisenhower model, not the lbj one.

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Advisors are ground troops. Ike put in 700; JFK escalated the number to 16,000.

The situation did not improve. In September of 1963, President Kennedy declared in an interview, "In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or lose it. We can help them, we can give them equipment, we can send our men out there as advisers, but they have to win it, the people of Vietnam, against the Communists... But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake... [The United States] made this effort to defend Europe. Now Europe is quite secure. We also have to participate—we may not like it—in the defense of Asia."

Source JFK library: https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/vietnam

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Yeah, there's no reason to believe JFK would not have done exactly as Johnson had done.

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he made the decision to draw down troops on october 2/1963

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam/

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I am confused as to why the JFK library does not mention this in the Vietnam section.

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Well there's the problem! He was way too late.

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He talks weird too.

--Michael D. Clarke

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have you heard people from Masschusetts speak they all talk like that please educate yourself.

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LMAO he is considered one of the "Good" Democrats he helped usher in the Age of Space Exploration as well a Futurist I hope his heir Robert F Kennedy is president wins in 2024 he is running as a Member of the Indepedent/Forward party.

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Space Exploration is the only good thing he did.

I like RFK Jr though if he'll get us out of Ukraine.

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