If we go by the lefts plan: A) I will not be able to have police protection, B) I will not be allowed to own a gun, C) Violent thugs will not be prosecuted but instead will be released back out on the street with no punishment.
So what exactly am I supposed to do if someone wants to rob my house and kill me?
At that point, when you are shot dead or stabbed, you may consider your debt accrued due to unearned White Privilege to be paid in full.
shareGood point, at least as I am slowly bleeding to death I can feel virtuous and that I have finally alleviated my white guilt. I’m sure my cats will feel the same way if the intruder decides to kill them as well.
shareYour cats share in the feline collective guilt of the species-oppression of mice and birds, so it will be an atonement for them as well.
shareGrab the knife and the criminal will get an even more painful and agonizing death than if they were shot with a gun. Soon the left will want to ban knives.
shareBut knives are "fun"
shareIn England, the cops sweep housing developments and confiscate "dangerous weapons" like scissors, pliers and steak knives. No joke! Actual Twitter announcements from Regent's Park Police.
https://twitter.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/974645778558980096/photo/1
https://twitter.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/1462078122954788871/photo/1
Why do you want a gun? Don't you realise those things cause so many more problems than they solve?
Me want gun because bad guy have gun. Me want shoot bad guy before bad guy shoot me. No can talk bad guy out of shoot. Take gun from bad guy. Not from good guy. You un-der-stand?
shareI already replied to the OP's final statement in his opening post. It seems Americans are obsessed with home invasions and thinking that burglars will kill them just like that. We don't get that sort of thing in the UK.
I have to ask... How do you eat your meat in the UK? Do you have to pick it up with your fingers? Have they come up with a safe alternative to the lethal, illegal steak knife over there?
https://twitter.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/1462078122954788871/photo/1
And what do you use when you want to do some DIY improvements or cut some paper?
https://twitter.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/974645778558980096
Now that's just silly.
Indeed, but it's an end result of banning things. When the guns are banned and murders do not suddenly stop, first go the fighting knives, then the hunting knives and then the eating knives.
shareThe Dunblane school massacre took place in Scotland in '96 resulting in a fuck ton of guns being banned in the UK. Oddly, there hasn't been a school massacre since.
shareAnd how many had been before???
shareNo idea. Probably have to go back to the viking invasion.
shareMy point is: if there aren't any before that event while guns were not banned ... maybe guns were NOT the problem ..
shareExactly. A gun isn't going to commit a massacre without an unbalanced person holding it. Might as well fight obesity by banning cutlery and plates. Seems like the British are working on the cutlery part, BTW.
shareRegent's park isn't a steak restaurant. The clue is in the name.
shareAh. So the British are forbidden to have steak knives at home, but under the watchful eye of restaurant staff, such deadly weapons are grudgingly allowed.
share>Ah. So the British are forbidden to have steak knives at home,
Regent's park is a park. The clue is in the name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent%27s_Park#Villas
Read the part about terraces and villas. These are homes directly contiguous to Regent's Park, considered part of the area.
Sorry. You are wrong.
They also happen to be private areas of the park.
shareI explained why I need a gun, also it’s none of your business. Why don’t you answer the question?
shareI’ll respond…
1776 and fuck you.
"So what exactly am I supposed to do if someone wants to rob my house and kill me?"
No-one's going to rob your house and kill you, that's just the American media pumping you full of fear every night so you'll buy stuff you don't need that will make companies rich, and make you paranoid.
You don’t know that, I’ve been robbed before and it’s happened to other people. BLM terrorists have murdered people, how do I know I’m not next? Also whether someone does or doesn’t rob me is a non sequitur. I should have a reasonable expectation to not be murdered by a far left insurrectionist. Are you afraid to answer the question.
shareSorry to hear that. My apologies for making assumptions, and I didn't mean to make light of your no-doubt frightening experience. I would most likely have done the same in your position.
So there is NO crime in USA??
Thank god.
Then if there is no crime why ban guns???
Your myopia will become more and more dangerous with each passing day. If you think a starving population will not be a dangerous population, you're not making proper use of your thinking cap.
shareNo one gets robbed in America?! What the hell are you on? My car got robbed while it was right in front of my house, and a few years later my garage was robbed. The American media certainly pushes its fair share of crap, but robberies most certainly do happen! Only a clueless dolt would assume otherwise!
shareTalked about a privileged notion. There are definitely areas in the US where you have to worry about your home being broken into, those areas are predominantly underprivileged areas inhabited by minorities. You're now in favor of PoC not being able to defend themselves?
shareEveryone should be able to defend themselves.
Straw man, false premise and a loaded question. You need to log off this board and go study logic.
Who says you have police protection in the first place? They took their kids out of the school and then waited 40 minutes outside while the gunman was busy killing children (and this isn't the first time it's happened).
Here, from a "lIbErTaRiAn" website:
The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."
Funny, if the police act you people call them racist, if they don’t you call them cowards , so which is it?
Also I didn’t strawman anyone, that is literally the lefts plan. Why don’t you answer the questions?
As I demonstrated, they are loaded questions.
Yeah, they act to protect the wealthy investor class, but fail to act when it comes time to protect children. They can be both racists and cowards; hell, most racists are cowards. It's not an either/or situation. That's a false dilemma. Didn't I tell you to log off moviechat.org and go study logic, ignoramus?
Police solve 2% of major crimes, aren't bound by the Constitution to protect you (unless you're in custody -- decided and reaffirmed by a conservative SCOTUS over and over and over again) and 1/3 of all strangers shot are shot by the police. Oh, and did I mention that over 40% of them are wife beaters?
And yes, you did. I studied philosophy. Your rhetorical tricks won't work on me.
You completely dodged my point, if the police respond you call them racist, if they don’t respond you call them cowards, no matter what they do you demonize them for political reasons.
The DemoKKKrats are actively trying to make it hard for police to solve crimes and get criminals off the street, if you are working against them then you forfeit all moral authority when they aren’t successful.
Sounds like whoever taught you your basic Philosophy 101 course should have their credentials revoked, I doubt they are even licenced.
Oh, you're a fascist propagandist, that explains a lot. Here, choke on this, you pathetic troll:
How effective are police at solving crime? It turns out, unfortunaely, not very effective. This is the first major contribution of this Article, providing a national review of police effectiveness for major crimes. People turn to police when they are victims of serious crime only about half the time, and much less often for some crimes. Of the crimes we know about, police are able to arrest individuals on average about 10% of the time for major crimes committed, and convict individuals less than 2% of the time. That is to say, police bring less than 2% of criminal defendants to criminal accountability for major crimes. The ranges of criminal accountability vary with the seriousness of the crime, wit murder having the highest rate of accountability. At police's best, in some years, 40 to 52% of murderers are getting away with their crimes. With rape, individuals are getting away with it up to 90% of the time. And property crimes are much worse with burglars getting away with it 97% of the time, robbers 94%, and those who commit larceny 99% of the time. This lack of police effectiveness means people are getting away with serious crime, and victims are suffering as a result.
My made up scenario was someone robbing my house, which has happened before so it’s not made up. Damn you suck at philosophy.
And why would people not trust the police? Because the far left fake news has made it their mission to smear them and destroy their character all to advance their lies and false political agendas.
Also whether or not police are effective or not is a non sequitur. The question asked is if libtards don’t want me to have police protection then what am I supposed to do from their perspective? More logical fallacies on your part, that and you are too much of a chicken shit to answer a simple question.
You don't have police protection anyway. Not an effective one, at least. That's been backed up by a peer-reviewed source and your made-up Internet scenarios and anecdotal evidence account for nothing. Anything that can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
A simple question that's loaded, based upon a false premise and a straw-man of the political positions of your opponents. You're just here to be a troll.
My only mission here is for my argument to be stronger than yours. That's not very hard, now is it? You're not really very good at this.
Now, fascist propagandist and troll... You are dismissed.
More non sequiturs, as I said before whether or not the police can adequately respond in time is irrelevant, the left doesn’t want me to have any protection so I’ll ask again: What am I supposed to do?
You are really bad at this, especially for someone who claims to be some kind of authority in the field of philosophy, you are falsely claiming logical fallacies in my position while ignoring the very obvious ones in yours. I don’t think you ever took a philosophy course, I think in your sad deluded mind you did but that doesn’t make it so.
Clearly you are not only stupid but too much of a coward to answer a simple question, typical libtard.
Considering the fact police solve 2% of major crimes and that they get very little training, you already don't have any protection. And I answered your loaded questions in my original reply, learn to develop reading comprehension. That's usually done by reading these things called "books". You know, those things you're burning and banning. They have pages and pages of information that takes time and effort to read instead of being a little pathetic troll on the internet which takes no effort at all, nor does it have any requirements.
Also, I am not a liberal, I'm a left-libertarian.
As I said, my only goal is to appeal to rational people willing to accept empirical evidence. Thanks for being a useful foil for my arguments.
So what exactly am I supposed to do if someone wants to rob my house and kill me?
But if the left has their way I won’t have a gun.
shareYou've killed plenty of people without guns. Don't be such a bumblepuss!
shareIf I bring a steak knife to a gun fight I’m likely to lose. And I’ll say again the left has no business or moral authority talking about gun control when A) they are against hiring armed security for schools and against allowing teachers who have conceal carry permits to carry and B) are actively trying to defund the police
shareI am a teacher, and I am in favor of these things. Hell, a freakin' taser gun isn't even allowed in schools. Schools are an open target, and stupid leftists, stupid teachers, stupid unions want it to stay that way so they can use school shootings for their own political gain.
shareI’m a former teacher , current principal and I agree with everything you just said. The left doesn’t give a damn about our children, they just use them as pawns for their radical agenda
shareThe right will still have their way, so you offer the person who's threatening to kill you your thoughts and prayers.
shareI’m atheist that means nothing to me. And the right wants to take action by providing the same security to schools that the demokkkrats who want to defund the police get.
share"So what exactly am I supposed to do if someone wants to rob my house and kill me?"
Are you talking a full-on inusrrection mob attack like the Trumpers pulled at the White House on January 6, 2021 ? When you say 'try to kill me' are you talking hanging a noose outside your house so they can hang you like they wanted to do to VP Pence ?
And here we go again, a couple of idiots trespassing into a building has become the lefts excuse to not hold themselves accountable for their radical policies. If you want to talk about insurrections that’s fine, 574 insurrections during summer 2020 where BLM and Antifa murdered over 20 people, assaulted and hospitalized thousands of cops, torched police stations, court houses, etc and caused billions of dollars worth of damage, all cheerleaded by the Demokkkrat party. Far worse than that one incident where a couple people protested where they weren’t supposed to that your cult has not stopped bitching about for over a year.
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share"a couple of idiots trespassing into a building"
That's right ! What do the Trumpers call them ?
Rep. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.) said the mob of insurrectionists breaking into the capitol "were just a normal tourist visit". LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
So your questioin is what exactly are you supposed to do if someone just wants a normal tourist visit to your home ?
You Trumpers wear your ignorance everyday like it's a badge of honor.
It was a largely peaceful protest that got a little out of control. The left has been using their mob to try to overthrow the government for years.
And geez if only you people reacted to school shootings like you did to the trespassing incident. Tons of security and armed guards at the Capitol but when it comes to our children they get guarded with signs that says “gun free zone”, you people are sick and demented.
The solution is simple: hire armed security like the same politicians who are trying to defund the police are given on the taxpayer dollar.
So your questioin is what exactly are you supposed to do if someone just wants to take a peaceful stroll down your street and wants to politely visit your home to use the bathroom ?
Well, just in case something went awry (which I highly doubt) we will join you in thoughts and prayers for your safety.
My house is different from a public building that is tax payer funded , numb nuts. There’s a little thing called the castle doctrine that doesn’t apply to public buildings
shareThe White House was locked up to the public that day because of the session going on inside, numb nuts. But that didn't stop 'every day visitors' from breaking into the building and vandalizing private offices while looking to lynch the VP.
Try again, kiddo.
Still doesn’t matter, someone breaks into my house I am allowed to defend myself per the castle doctrine because that is my property. The Capitol is public property, not private property dingleberry and whoever shot Ashli Babbit doesn’t own in, therefore the castle doctrine doesn’t apply. Take a course in how self defense laws, kid, you don’t know what you’re talking about. By your logic if the public pool in my area is closed and I jump the fence someone who witnesses it has a right to shoot me, your logic is flawed on all fronts. Also if she were a BLM thug who was burning down a courthouse you know damn well you would be calling for an investigation and would be crying about how “black lives matter” or whatever phrase makes you feel good about yourself
shareAre you even aware that Trump wanted to bring in 20k national guard troops to the capital? 2 days prior to Jan 6th, Pelosi ignored the request and the mayor of DC put in a written refusal for the added troops. Of course liberals don't know this because MSNBC and CNN censor this kind of info
shareWow you really are fucked in the head.
shareI dont necessarily have any kind of interest in this.
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