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It's pretty impressive that he had the strength and feat to kill 2 people within mere minutes.


He was 46 years old at the time of the murders with football injuries. Yet, he was able to kill 2 people including a fit 25 year old waiter with a karate belt. Yet, all OJ "suffered" was a mere cut to his finger.

Very impressive.

--Michael D. Clarke

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But they say when you are in such a rage, you gain "superhero-like" strength.

Also, he did have NAVY seal training just before the murders for his never-aired show "Frogmen".

OJ is a ninja.

--Michael D. Clarke

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Reportedly even with his "extensive" navy seal training for this unaired tv pilot, he was so physically inept & clumsy that he kept ruining takes.

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It has been theorized or speculated that OJ was under the influence of cocaine on the night of the murders.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/oj-simpson-was-at-nicole-brown-and-ron-goldmans-murder-scene-claims-witness.5584504/post-100895747

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And somewhere out there, Al Cowlings long in hiding, is reading this with a smile on his face.. O.J had a little help, but this whole thing was so conceivably planned, and all bases were covered, that it makes me wonder had the Prosecution not made OJ try on the Glove, we wouldn't have had "If the Glove don't fit, you must Acquit" that got OJ off?? I mean, what were they thinking making a man try ion a leather glove while wearing a latex glove, so naturally, it wasn't going to fit?? LOL!!!! Jay Leno and the Tonight Show back in 1994 were just killing it with this trial..

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Many (lets face it. Mostly white) people were and still are very much in their feels about the OJ trial but there was always way too many plot holes for me to buy the popular narrative. The exposing of the absolutely f*ckery of the LAPD's corruption & mishandling of evidence alone was enough for reasonable doubt.

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Hell, even black people knew he did it, but he had help to and like I said, it was well planned out

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Some believed he did it & some didn't. Many believed that Furhman, the virulently anti-black white supremacist cop who lied under oath, likely planted evidence. I used to think that OJ may have been involved but had help yet I never bought the "Super OJ" narrative, where he miraculously did it all himself and that's the only case the LAPD & the prosecution were interested in. No wonder, he was acquitted.

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Wow. That's some load of bullshit coming out of your mouth.

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As Alan Dershowitz, one of OJ's lawyers said, the LAPD tried to frame a guilty man.

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How would that happen I wonder?

For the LAPD to have framed Simpson, they would have had to have planted all that evidence within hours of the murders. Now, let's say the "real" murderer was caught the next day or within a few days - how would the LAPD have explained all that planted evidence?

The only way that works is that the LAPD would have needed a motive and the case would have to have been absolutely ice cold for a long time before they decided to target O.J. - and again, that's assuming anyone could come up with some cockamamie motive.

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I think (and this is just my opinion) that the LAPD was motivated by getting a conviction. And they had a history of racial discrimination, which made it easier for Johnny Cochran to get people to think they were racially motivated.

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But that doesn't answer my questions - since the evidence was "planted" within hours of the murder, how would the LAPD explain away the evidence they planted if the FBI caught the "real" murderer?

I think (and this is just my opinion) that the LAPD was motivated by getting a conviction.


Since the case wasn't cold, why would they panic after only a few hours and finger Simpson or anybody for that matter?

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Because they were idiots. Police do this kind of thing though. They have hunch and they believev their hunch. They don't want to do real police work. It's a symptom of a corrupt force. Probably gets to their motivation/ reward structure. They are more interested in closing a case than in finding the real perpetrator

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They are more interested in closing a case than in finding the real perpetrator


Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Again, the evidence was "planted" within hours of the murder. This means that:

1) The LAPD believed in mere hours that with a metric shitload of physical evidence at the scene, solving the case themselves would be impossible.

2) The LAPD believed that even with a metric shitload of physical evidence, the F.B.I would also be unable to solve this case.

3) The LAPD believed that if the real murderer was found or Hillaried himself after leaving a confession note, they would be able to explain away the planted evidence against Simpson.

4) Assuming all the above is true, they thought that they would target O.J. Simpson in particular, American hero and all around swell guy instead of some homeless bum who couldn't afford a lawyer, much less a dream team of high end snakes.

5) In an age where a simple blowjibber can't be hidden, not one of the cabal would slip a lip and give the whole thing away.

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The whole "LAPD tried to frame O.J" is just nonsense. As you said strntz, they had no motive. Mark Furman was called in the middle of the night to a crime scene. He didn't even know who had been murdered. The scene had been swarming with uniforms for several hours. Why would he take it upon himself to frame someone and possibly get himself into a world of trouble?

Same with Lang and Vanatter. They were close to retirement. They had no motivation to frame a beloved celebrity like O.J. Simpson. Planting false evidence carries a very heavy penalty, like they'd risk their futures to frame O.J. I don't think so.

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The whole "LAPD tried to frame O.J" is just nonsense. As you said ..they had no motive.


It's so frustrating. We have flat earthers who believe every nation on Earth is in a great conspiracy to keep a flat Earth secret (we'll forget the idiotic physics of it).

The first question to ask in a conspiracy is why? The LAPD had zero reason to frame anyone, frame O.J. specifically, and do this within hours of a murder with enough evidence left at the murder scene to fill one of Taylor Swift's mansions.

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All they had to do was to create a narrative that would provoke paranoia in Black people, which is not hard because blacks are terrified of the police for good reason.

The odd thing was that O.J. was real good buddies with the police and had a lot of friends on the force.

Ron Goldman's blood was found in O.J.'s car, so they came up with some story about the police planting it there.

Who else would have motive to kill those two individuals?

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..which is not hard because blacks are terrified of the police for good reason.


Really? What are some of these reasons. As a black American, this would be information I should know about.

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American black ... of what economic class?

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Law abiding.

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"economic class" ... now at least I know you are disingenuous and a liar.

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How about instead of being a tool, you answer my question without asking a question. The answer I gave you was more than your question deserved.

But let's get back to the comment you made - what exactly are some of the "good" reasons we blacks are now or should be afraid of police?

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Well...one "good" reason is it makes liberal happy as h#ll to have yet another reason to smear law enforcement. And it helps to justify their whining and crying. Just kidding.

But when they aren't happy, they need milk and cookies in their safe rooms!

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There's truth to your jesting I think.

We conservatives are so far over the whole race bit but many leftists won't let it go as long as it suits their purposes, and fomenting division and hate works to their advantage.

Sad.

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Forty-six is not old enough to be depleted in strength. Karate is choreography for the make-believe world, not the real world of enraged killers.

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He had injuries from his football days.

--Michael D. Clarke

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The element of surprise would be big. The fact that who in their right mind, besides Nicole who was always worried that OJ would attack her and kill her would be expecting to be attacked and murdered. He probably jumped Goldman first and disabled him or killed him and the raged out on Nicole. America loves its heros, and it picks the wrong people as heroes as well. We are a sick country, and we try to hide it by pretending we are so religious.

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It was in a very dark area, OJ ambushed them without warning. He immediately knocked them both out and then picked up Ron with the knife, which was by itself a deadly act. Then he furiously stabbed him repeatedly. After killing Ron OJ then did almost the exact same thing to Nicole.

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And you know that because you were there? ;-)

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Agreed. It looks like a manic blitz attack. Multiple stab wounds delivered in a frenzy followed by a coup de gras. Seems altogether believable that a big angry man could do it despite whatever clumsiness and some minor disability. Everything pointed to O.J..

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Murder video based on known evidence https://youtu.be/8zt4anqnJoc?si=H4cgs1WZbZzA9dbn

OJ interrogation interview with police
https://youtu.be/Fv-e3iL6cXA?si=f3BQ4XTc0UUShsvp

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He had a knife and the element of surprise.

One of his victims was a woman about half his size. Yes, in modern movies women are supposed to be able to mop the floor with guys like that, but in the real world there's a reason we don't let women fight men in combat sports.

He had bad knees but he was still a very strong guy.

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Exactly. If he got Goldman first by surprise no problem, and if he jumped Nicole, what would Goldman have done? Who is ready after a normal day to engage in hand to hand combat to the death with a maniac? And, if he ran away assuming he could have he'd feel like garbage for the rest of his life.

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Agreed. In 1982, a female martial artist named Anne Winton was stabbed to death.

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If he got Goldman first by surprise no problem, and if he jumped Nicole, what would Goldman have done?


Yep, if it was O.J.'s intention to kill them, he would have killed Goldman first. If he wasn't expecting something like a violent knife attack, Goldman could have been dead in seconds.

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If you'll recall, OJ literally wrote a book telling about how he "could have" done it.

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I haven't read the book, but what did he say would have been the method he would have used had he had "done it"?

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I didn't read it

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LAPD screwed the pooch on the trial. They brought a blood sample of OJs to the scene. Nothing can explain the logic in that.

Best conspiracy theory I heard was his son did it, and OJ covered for him because he knew he could beat the rap.

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I don't buy that he would cover for his son. OJ is too much of a malignant narcissist to do that.

--Michael D. Clarke

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The policework and prosecution were pretty inept. Lucky for the juice.

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That, and he had the dream team. Only have to create reasonable doubt.

Scott Peterson was convicted with much less evidence.

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The prosecution certainly was inept.

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