Ooookaay
I think his music is overrated.
His dancing was good.
He was a weirdo
I don't think he molested the kids.
He's dead. Why bother?
One question: have you seen the documentary?
shareNope. I watched the years of accusation. No evidence lead to a conviction.
shareYeah, I think you need to watch it. I'm still shaken up from it. Just finished about an hour ago. It's ... an experience. No one's going to be able to convey it to you second-hand, and watching the years of accusations is completely different.
shareIm sure it was. Documentariesare now entertainmentand narratives rather than actual documentationof events. Now they all serve agendas and forget to show the whole story. Its been a sad trend for years.
Believe me, it's anything but entertainment.
shareIt got an emotional response from you and you're promoting the film. It seems to be working.
shareThat doesn't mean it's entertainment. It most certainly did get an emotional response from me, I'll agree with that. Impossible for it to not, as a human being who has empathy.
I now understand why people were emerging from it at Sundance sobered and shaken. I didn't know too much more about it before I saw it.
This is an important piece that goes far beyond Michael Jackson, because it sheds light on some important issues.
I'm not promoting it, I'm discussing it. So are you. That's what these boards are for.
Fair enough.
shareHow bout "engrossing" or "gripping"?
If it pulled you in, mission accomplished.
No. Those words don't describe it. Shaken is the best word I can come up with. It's been hours now, and I'm still shaken by it.
share"Shaken" doesn't describe the doc. It describes you after seeing it.
It was successful in keeping you watching despite the negative effect on you.
That's why I used those words. You were hooked.
Yes, it describes the impact it had on me. That's what I was talking about.
To come up with words to describe the documentary is also difficult. Heartbreaking is certainly one, and the one that stands out most for me. Other descriptors that come to mind don't capture what I mean.
You seem quite cynical. I wasn't hooked, I've already said engrossing and gripping do not describe it for me. It addresses important issues; that's why I kept watching it.
Docs have always been that way.
From Nanook to the present.
Fair enough. Either way, its not goetter better. The narratives are not subtle by any means.
shareThe lowest rung of the art form. If people only knew -- but most don't.
No such thing as "fly on the wall".
This. Unless a documentary is a fixed camera recording an event in it's entirety from start to finish, it's only someone's perspective. Editing, what's chosen to film, and equally important what's not chosen, is subject to the creator.
shareYup. But even if there were a fixed camera, there's still the choice of where to put it. Docs are not about reality. They're about compelling storytelling any way they can shape it. And they've always been that way.
sharethis pedo was worth like a billion fucking bucks dude with that legal team he could have molested the fucking presidents kid and get away with it. just because he wasn't convicted dont mean he didn't diddle no kids
shareThere's no evidence. You can't say he did or didn't molest kids. You can believe a documentary, but That's just is a narrative no better than gossip.
We disagree. It's ok. I don't like the guy. I don't understand all the obsession for and against him. He was a weirdo.
The ones to believe or disbelieve would technically be the accusers, not the filmmakers
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