Fuck the #MeToo harpies. Polanski's important historical film."J'accuse" dealing with the Dreyfus affair in France at the turn of the last century, has yet to find a distributor in the US or UK. This is an egregious act of censorship.
shareThe #metoo harpies have nothing to do with Polanski. His problem is that someone accused him of something in the past. His problem is that he pled guilty to drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. So there is no maybe she made it up going on with him he admitted to it in a court and then fled the country before he was sentenced. So spare me the he is unfairly treated. If he had manned up and stayed in the US and been sentenced then it would really be water under the bridge but he has continued to run from the police and refused to accept the punishment for what he admitted to doing. He is a coward and pathetic waste of space. As for the Dreyfus affair, no one outside of France or the Jewish community gives a shit about it. Frankly no one should give a shit about it because it is well in the past and amounts to nothing.
share"As for the Dreyfus affair, no one outside of France or the Jewish community gives a shit about it. Frankly no one should give a shit about it because it is well in the past and amounts to nothing."
This is irrelevant to the point of your post up to that point and stupidly argued.
Unable to follow a thread then, read the whole fucking thread I didn't bring up Dreyfus I was responding to some idiot that brought it up.
shareI followed the thread just fine. My understanding was that the OP was claiming that the inability of this film to find a distributor amounted to an act of censorship. That's debatable. However, considering the fact that the Dreyfus case began the modern Zionist movement which (along with the Holocaust as a catalyst) ultimately led to the foundation of Israel, something which you claim "no one should give a shit about" because it's the past, you went off the rails a bit. It's your dismissal of the subject matter I am having a problem with. Whether or not the Dreyfus affair is "still relevant" or not has nothing to do with whether Polanski should be behind bars, nor does it matter whether or not it is a good film. Personally, I have a problem with the notion of a "two-tiered justice system" and don't like that he didn't serve the remainder of his time. As to the other charges leveled against him more recently, with the MeToo movement it's often impossible to prove allegations and is problematic to say the least..
shareHe fled because his lawyer caught wind that the judge was looking to make an example out of him and sentence him to a MUCH harsher sentence than was agreed upon when he pleaded out. The judge was looking to make a name for himself at Polanski's expense.
shareChild rapists should always be used to make an example of their evil crimes. Why should Polanski be shielded from punishment for his crimes.
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He's such a lefty that the left excuses the rape of a minor.
How does this have anything to do with politics? Seriously?
Do you even realize that the polarization of politics in the US is one of the reasons why the US is listed as a backsliding democracy.
Try not making everything about the left and right and just that some people are just bad people no matter who they might vote for.
Because it is political. The reason Hollywood is defending a man who drugged and raped a child is because he's one of them.
Please stop with that nonsense. Makes you look stupid.
shareHollywood is made of a variety of people and not all of them support him. I can't even imagine the hate that you have to lump so many people together and make them your enemy.
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There are some righties in Hollywood, but they stay silent in order not to be cancelled.
There are a ton of actors in Hollywood that I have no idea what their political affiliation is and I don't care. This is about Polanski, if you want to make this political we can look at all the politicians who have been accused of rape and I can assure you that rape really doesn't care if someone is right or left. This isn't about political affiliation, this is about men protecting men.
sharePolanski is an artist who has had to flee from Nazis and the Manson family.
shareWhat does that have to do with what I'm talking about? I was saying that this isn't a right or left issue. I'm bringing it up because strntz made it political, which you seemed to agree with when you replied
[–] Metatron1970 (3353) a month ago
Please stop with that nonsense. Makes you look stupid.
You don't know anything about the case.
shareI know that his victim claims she was drugged by Polanski. I know that Polanski pleaded guilty to raping her. I know that Polanski claim to enjoy having sex with young girls.
What do you know that excuses men from drugging and raping young girls?
Yup. The only thing you know about the case is the sex act. The legal aspects you know nothing about so you have to rely only on your highly emotional reactions to this case. To you and all the #MeToo harpies, I offer this warning---whether you like it or not, Polanski is a true artist. His film "J'Accuse" WILL one day find its way to the audience that cares about his works.
shareWhat legal aspects excuse raping a child? The one thing nearly every Polanski apologist has in common is that they avoid the words "child rape". Most of them are completely chickens--t when it comes to actually admitting that he raped a child.
So explain what legal or social concerns excuse child rape.
We are speaking about two different subjects. The conversation is pointless. You are speaking about Roman Polanski's sex life and what punishment he deserves for past indiscretions committed over 40 years ago. I am speaking of a film made in 2019 about the famous Dreyfus affair in France that received accolades all over Europe but cannot find distribution in English-speaking countries because pompous #MeToo fools think the art made by this man is not worthy to be seen. Get on Amazon and try to order "J'accuse" with English subtitles and see what I'm talking about.
shareYou started out with a complaint about people who oppose rape with your "Fuck the #MeToo harpies". You are the one making it about Polanski's rapist past.
I am talking about an admitted rapist and the failure of law enforcement everywhere to hold him accountable for his crime.
Why don't you say " for raping a child" instead of " for past indiscretions"? I think it is because you don't give a damn about rape victims in general and side with criminals.
I'm rather tired of this circle jerk with you which will go nowhere. The #MeToo harpies are in fact the ones who have caused the censorship of this film. If you doubt that, you are free to look into the history of the release of "J'Accuse". Harp on rape all you like. I am talking about the art work, not the artist. Polanski's sexual history was no different in 2002 than it is now, but that didn't stop "The Pianist" (a film in which some of Polanski's experiences with Nazis when he was young are presented) from winning major film awards all over the world including from the Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences.
shareIt should have stopped him back in 2002 also. Polanski the rapist gets shutdown by women who protest rape? Justice if you ask me.
Some people are not comfortable with rewarding a rapist by promoting his art. The film itself is no big deal. People can learn more about the injustice done to Dreyfus by reading a book.
You're wasting your word on Metatron, he's a ignorant cunt that has a habit of starting some asinine post and when he gets shown the ignorance of it quickly tries to change the subject.
shareI would agree, but you're being too nice to him. He is not ignorant, he is a liar.
shareI see I hit a nerve.
shareHow true
shareHe fled because his lawyer caught wind that the judge was looking to make an example out of him and sentence him to a MUCH harsher sentence than was agreed upon when he pleaded out. The judge was looking to make a name for himself at Polanski's expense.
I mean, tough shit yeah, but not for Roman. He has lived a blessed life elsewhere.
The whole point to a plea deal is that you agree to plead guilty an exchange for a sentence agreed upon.
If the judge can’t honour his word, than nobody should be held to that.
''Frankly no one should give a shit about it because it is well in the past and amounts to nothing.'' So could we say about Polansky pleading guilty and leaving the country. 50 years now ?
shareAllowing a child rapist to go free just makes them bolder and more likely to keep on raping kids in my opinion. Polanski say he likes f**king young girls. What makes you think he stopped raping young girls after he fled the USA?
shareYou are obsessed with Polanski's sex life. It's disturbing and makes you look unstable and a little crazy.
shareI don't support what Polanski did decades ago but that doesn't mean his films aren't brilliant. Chinatown is one of my all time favorites and most revered films. I support the art not the man.
shareHear, hear.
shareThe Renaissance composer Carlo Gesualdo committed double homicide, and yet his musical works are still remembered. Many statesmen have done even worse things and are often considered national heroes. So, I think it's a fair bet to assume that Polanski's body of work will be judged separately from his personal life. History leaves little doubt on this point, being examples of the work of bad people being considered separately from their actions. People may not want to hear this, but this is how it will play out in the long run although maybe not until long after he is dead
shareYou stand with Roman, who is guilty, but I'll bet you don't stand with Woody, who has been proven to be innocent.
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Fuck the #MeToo harpies.
Let's not forget he also sodomized her when she was passed out. A class act to stand with right there.
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I sometimes wonder why Mark Ruffalo hasn't commented on Polanski. He's crying for the loss of child rapist "JoJo", but silent on Polanski?
Maybe Ruffalo feels bad for Rosenbaum because he raped little boys, not little girls.
Makes you wonder. I would never leave a young boy alone with Mark Ruffalo.
Boring actor Mark Ruffalo has zero relevance to anything pertaining to Polanski.
shareWould you still stand with Roman if you'd heard that his interest in girls in their early teens wasnt a one-time thing, but an ongoing interest? And that he moved to France because the age of consent is low there? Because that's what I've heard about him.
Just curious.
There was no age of consent until today. Senate suggested 13 but Macron said 15.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210316-french-lawmakers-back-bill-to-set-age-of-sexual-consent-at-15
He was born in France and they don't extradite citizens.
There was no age of consent until today. Senate suggested 13 but Macron said 15.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210316-french-lawmakers-back-bill-to-set-age-of-sexual-consent-at-15
He was born in France and they don't extradite citizens.
"And that he moved to France because the age of consent is low there?"
Wait, so Polanski moved from Poland to France in 1961, not because he was born there, wanted to work in one of the biggest movie industries in the world and had enough of communism, but just because he wanted to legally be able to have sex with girls younger than 15???
I believe that he's spent much of his post-scandal life living in France, and yes, the rumors I heard related to his post-scandal life.
shareWell, those rumors are wrong, because the reason he went back to France in 1978 is because he had fled the US to avoid incarceration and his French citizenship protected him from being extradited.
shareOh, you know that much about his private life? You know him personally, and can truthfully state why he does this or that?
I don't know any more than you do, I'm just passing on rumors. And noting that he could have had more than one reason to move to France of all the countries in the world, when he wanted out of the US.
I know because it's not at all private.
One, Polanski fled the US one day before sentencing and several people, including himself, have said he did so because he didn't trust the judge and did not want to be incarcerated.
Two, he actually had a home in London, but moved to France within 2 days. It is certainly no coincidence he has French citizenship and that France does not extradite its citizens. As an internationally sought fugitive he didn't have that many options. He probably could've gone back to Poland, but he was a known anti-communist. And ever since moving to France, he has tried to avoid countries that could extradite him back to the US.
Regardless of his fondness for underage girls (which I think he even admitted to), it seems he had much more important things on his mind when looking for a place where he could stay out of the hands of the US authorities than the local age of consent. It's not like the law had stopped him before.
He should drug and rape the censors.
That'll teach them.
13 years old, dude.
shareYou, like most leftists see nothing wrong with raping a 13 year old girl.
shareYawn. Right-left bullshit from know-nothings. Get off my thread. You have nothing intelligent to contribute
shareSo are you okay with him raping a 13 year old girl? It's a yes or no question.
shareI asked you to get off my thread politely. You don't know a thing about the legal complexities of the case though I would suggest you seek out the important documentary "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired". It goes into great detail about this confessed rape you are obsessed with, but the judge introduced some extra-judicial maneuvers in the case that had not been discussed with Polanski's attornies. (That's where the case gets more complex than a simple "child rape".) The judge intended to make a name for himself by sentencing Polanski to a harsh prison term that had not been part of Polanski's plea deal. This is what forced Polanski into the position of fleeing the US. People like yourself only see superficial details: 13 year old girl sodomized after being given alcohol and a tranquilizer. But there are aspects to this scenario that make it different than the forced rape you keep harping on---this girl was no virgin. She was a model who looked much older than she was, like a lot of teen girls. This is LA in the 70s with its porny, degenerate atmosphere and all the booze, drugs, and sex imaginable. And the modeling session with Samantha Geimer took place at the house of notorious playboy Jack Nicholson. Samantha's mother knew what she was getting her daughter into but went berzerk when she noticed her blood-stained panties later. Samantha has pleaded on Polanski's behalf for decades and has expressed her wish that Polanski be allowed back in the US. As for Polanski's peccadilloes---I do not judge the man. He fled from Nazis in his formative years, his mother killed in Auschwitz, and later his 8 1/2 months pregnant wife and friends are brutally killed in one of the most bizarre murders in US history. With a background like that, your sexual tastes might be a little "exotic" too and especially in the corrupting atmosphere of 70's LA. But this has nothing to do with his art. WE DEMAND THE RELEASE OF "J'ACCUSE" PRESENTLY IN LIMBO IN US & UK DUE TO #METOO FANATICS.
shareSorry but it's not your thread and you have no say who is "on" it, capiche?
Your excuses for him are just that and they're pathetic. Virgin or slut, it doesn't matter. What he did to her was RAPE, pure and simple, even if she was begging him for it. If you don't believe it, open a law book.
You're the one talking about a rape. I am talking about a work of art on an important historical subject (the Dreyfus affair in France) that is being held up because of sex-obsessed fanatics, the neo-Puritans of the odious #MeToo "movement" which likes to boast it is helping women but has been used instead as an instrument of revenge and censorship. Mark my words--the days of #MeToo are numbered.
shareI hope they are, but it was still actual rape.
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