Manslaughter at best, seems like there could be a 2nd degree murder side to the story though.
shareIt’s strange he was firing the gun at all considering the scene they were rehearsing didn’t call for the gun to be fired.
I've heard from other (anonymous internet) sources that it is absolutely not the actor's job to check the gun for live rounds, that if the actor checks the gun then the armorer has to re-check it in case the actor screwed something up.
It is the actor's job to refrain from pointing the gun at other people, once it had been checked and given to him. Nothing was done right on that set.
I've heard exactly the same re all of that. Although there are apparently some exceptions, when firearms are pointed directly at other actors...
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It's also the producers' job to provide a gun safe or lockbox so people can't take the real guns out, fill them with live rounds, and shoot at targets in the desert when they have nothing better to do. It's also the producers' job to provide a transparent bulletproof shield that goes in front of the camera crew, when actors are waving around guns loaded with blanks in the course of their duty.
NOTHING was done right on that set, and ultimately, it falls on the producers.
what about the person that pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger?
shareJob? Dude, if you’re holding a gun, you’re 100% responsible for what comes out.
Ignorant people shouldn’t be holding guns.
The problem is that you have years of established case law that holds a person in possession of a gun responsible for the gun and any harm or damage done by the gun while in the person's possession. It is not a defense to say someone told me it was unloaded. You might get away with this as an excuse if say you took someone's word that a cake was free of any peanuts but the person was wrong and it caused the person you gave the cake to, to die. But a cake isn't considered an inherently dangerous thing. A gun is treated differently in the same group as you would place dynamite. Because of that the person with it assumes much more liability for anything that happens with it. Baldwin has been pushing the someone else is to blame bullshit for a long time, but he had the gun, he pointed it. He fired it. Nothing will diminish those facts. He should be getting ready for some prison time.
shareBaldwin is in a terrible legal position, both as the person who fired the gun, and a producer who ran an unsafe workplace.
I don't think he'll do jail time, but he's going to spend the restbof his life defending himself from many, many lawsuits. V
You are probably right, but it is only because New Mexico is run by a liberal and the state is afraid that if they do the right thing that it might hurt the film business in the state.
shareI think the armorer and the AD are more likely to do jail time. They were responsible for the gun and the ammo, and they can't afford the kind of lawyers Baldwin can.
Thrre's one law for the rich in this country, and another for the rest of us.
No, there were no laws broken by the AD or armorer. Being stupid, or careless wasn't the cause of the death.. pulling the trigger caused the death. And even if they flat out lied and both of them conspired to give Baldwin a loaded gun, Baldwin broke the law when he pointed the gun at someone. If he had not pointed the gun at someone there would be no death.
shareSomeone lied to you.
If a gun is in your hand,
IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
Nothing in the world can take that responsibility away from the holder of the gun.
Sorry.
You mean someone might have lied to me on the internet? I'm SHOCKED!!!
Seriously, I was just referring to standard movie-set procedure, not the law. And movie set procedure is, according to my internet sources, that:
The producers provide a gun safe or lock box, transparent shields for the camera crew and other safety meetings, and hold daily safety meetings on mornings when guns are used or stunts are done. The armorer secures the gun and ammunition in a lock box when it's not needed in front of the camera, and is the one to load the gun, and double and triple checks it before handing it over to the AD, who is supposed to check it before giving it to the actor. Not one bit of that was done.
So the armorer and AD are liable for letting to get a real bullet get into a gun that's used by an actor, Baldwin is liable for careless gun handling and actually firing the bullet that the people responsible for the gun swore wasn't there, and the producers are liable for skipping all the safety precautions listed above. Absolutely everyone involved can be sued for everything they have, but I don't know who out of all those suspects can be prosecuted for manslaughter under New Mexico law. And I suspect, neither do you.
I don't know why he would, he was told it was a cold gun, why would he check it?
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