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Anyone else find him a bit.... 'limited'


I will probably get ripped to pieces for this, but please hear me out: The other day I involuntarily endured a trailer for a recent Adam Sandler movie (where he also plays his twin sister) and I was rather startled to hear that Al Pacino himself was actually doing a cameo there.

My initial reaction was: "Boy, he came a long way from all the great films he made in the past", but then something strange happened: I started thinking about "all the great films he made in the past" and given a closer look found Al Pacino's past as an actor neither considerably great, nor considerably groundbreaking in an artistic sense.

Let´s leave out Michael Corleone here (at least in GF 1 and 2) as this is a performance beyond criticism, and let´s also omit "Dog Day Afternoon" in which his stereotypical "nervous tough guy" had not yet become a cliché - the only performance after the 1970s for which I can truely give him credit is Tony Montana with which he wrote film history - but apart from this small handful of roles what is there? I look into Pacino´s recent filmography and I see little else but disposable cop-films; I grab a random movie from the 90s or 2000s and I see the same character over and over again - brooding, volatile guy, constantly on the edge and shouting on the top of his voice, no matter if appropriate or not.
Just check out this scene from "Heat" and then tell me if this is a line you would expect to come in this form from a normal cop, or if it is just Pacino playing a Pacino-character: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vlco4yvSc (and for extra laughs, just skip through these 11 seconds frame by frame and cringe over the 40 different histrionic expressions that Pacino puts up in such a small time).

And ironically, the only performance he won an Oscar for was for a movie ("Scent of a woman") in which he took his overacting to new extremes to invent a character who had no depth or demons whatsoever but that seemed closer to a cartoon character.

I know that the discussion about Pacino´s "range" is not exactly new, neither is the revelation that he´s playing himself in many of his movies. But I still find it worthwhile to draw attention to this matter every once in a while: Have we ever seen Pacino transform (intellectually and physically) for a role? Has he every played a character that was completely beyond anything you would have thought him capable of? Is there a movie where you would say to yourself: *beep* this is actually PACINO there? Holy Crap, what did he do to himself?

I more and more get the feeling that Pacino has stopped "acting" somewhere in the 90s and has instead come up with the philosophy to "give the people what they want" - those kind of people who are munching their popcorn and sipping their sodas in the theatre, eagerly waiting for his tirade to start ("Oh boy, here he goes again!")

So please, don´t get me wrong; I might have been harsh, but I deliberately did not include any comparison to other directors, as starting a discussion about "Actor XYZ being better/worse" was not my intention; I am also far away from actually bashing Pacino - let me just put it this way. For a man who has for almost 40 years been labelled "one of the greatest actors of all time", I found his range of expression as well as his choice of characters rather "limited", to put it mildly.

So there, I´ve said it. You can shoot me on the spot, burn me at the stake - or you can simply give me your personal opinion as this is what I came for.

Thanks in advance

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I would never burn you at the stake for your opinion but I'd actually argue the exact opposite, and give you some points which you may or may not find persuasive.

If you took every film where Al Pacino played a cop or an (overt) criminal off his resume (and those tend to be his iconic roles).......you'd still have:

Panic In Needle Park, Scarecrow, Dog Day Afternoon, And Justice For All, Glengarry Glen Ross, Scent Of A Woman, The Insider, Chinese Coffee, Merchant Of Venice, Angels In America, Phil Spector, YDK Jack, The Local Stigmatic.

That's 13 very good or better performances and I'm leaving some out. Almost none of those overlap in character or how they are executed even a little bit.

That's a career for most actors........when you factor in his iconic roles on top of it, his career accomplishments are basically overwhelming.......and it doesn't end there:

His iconic roles aren't even the same type of performance within type:

He's celebrated for playing cops - But his cops in Heat, Serpico and Insomnia are quite differentiated in how he executes them.

Same with his gangsters - Michael Corleone, Tony Montana, Carlito Brigante, Lefty Ruggerio are like 4 distinct shades rather than variations on the similar shades.

Now you may not be a fan of all that work (or you may be a fan of something I left out rather than something I listed)........but if you change the way you look at his career in film...........it's kind of staggering what he's done.

If that's not enough, I didn't even discuss his stage work which is where he really pushed his limits and is a big part of why he's held in such high esteem too.




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Al Pacino is limitless rather than limited men as you.

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I agree with the OP. People like Daniel Day absolutely shred actors like Al when it comes to variation. That's not to say Al isn't a great actor he is, but he's great in particular roles. He's not a character actor but honestly I don't hold that against actors like most people do. I think actors are like colors, specific colors for specific items, or in this case roles. I don't believe in a one size fits all.
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They are actually similar especially in terms of variation and in a bunch of other ways. Though I totally agree with your other point that what people usually call "versatility" isn't the main thing I look at either.

The actor Daniel Day-Lewis most mirrors is Al Pacino actually imo (well for modern American actors at least).

If you stop them at a certain age, they have practically identical careers, performance levels, characteristics. Stop them around the age 50. They have the same amount of films, roughly (Scent of A Woman is Pacino's 18th released film at that time, and he's 52). The same success in specific type roles (Pacino, intense urban specific), Day-Lewis (intense period specific).

Both had notable failures in comedy (Pacino in Author, Author, Day-Lewis in Stars & Bar and Eversmile, New Jersey).......and they stayed away from it a good bit after those failures (Day-Lewis completely has stayed away from it)

Both emerged from theater and had controversial episodes with Shakespeare (much hated by some, praised highly by a few). Both get accused of going too big or being too histrionic.

Both brought their acting teachers into films with them - Lee Strasberg for Pacino, Pete Postlethwaite for DDL (although they had a different kind of relationship - not as much teacher-student directly as Strasberg/Pacino).

Both had a clear rival that emerged simultaneously to them Gary Oldman for Day-Lewis, DeNiro for Pacino). Both went back to certain directors, Day-Lewis to Jim Sheridan and Scorsese, Pacino to Lumet and Coppola, Schatzberg.

What are Panic in Needle Park, Scarecrow, The Godfather, Dog Day Day Afternoon and Serpico if not "character" roles?

Both had a handful of performances considered with the greatest ever instead of say being actors where every performance is just "good".........Day-Lewis has a big 5, Pacino has something like that too - again if you stop them at around 50ish.




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Pacino is the most brilliant actor alive IMHO. Not his fault if they try to typecast him.

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