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Im going Say it "TV isn't Art", never has been and never will be.


Because Everything on TV is about Selling you Something. A TV Show is about Selling you Soap, HBO Subscription or Streaming Service. No TV show is made because there a story that has to be told in 30 to 60 hours. Most of there stories could be told in less than that. There no such thing as independent TV. Where friend scrounge enough money to make a TV Show. Like Sam Raimi or Don Coscarelli did for there movies. TV show are always mandated a certain amount of Episode. Dose anyone tell a painter how big there painting had to be. I don't think so. And the Best TV shows don't come close to the Best Movies. If you can prove that a TV Show are as emotional raw as movies like Schindler's List, Shawshank Redemption, Life Is Beautiful, The Pianist, or Even Wall-E. Ill give a billion dollar i don't have. TV is a Commercial Product. It isn't art.

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What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs, nailed to a wall?

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Bob.

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Please give us the punchline, I need some new jokes to tell during Christmas dinner.

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I don't have anything new...

Tell Grandma she has a hole in her panties.

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I need some new jokes to tell during Christmas dinner


Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house, Nothing was stirring, not even a mouse.

I should have bought a carbon monoxide alarm

Why doesn't Santa have any kids of his own?

He only comes down the chimney

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There you go.đź‘Ť

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Art

Signed, million man.

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YESSIRREE

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All art is business including movies (show business), music, novels and paintings since artists sell their product to an interested buyer(s).

Movies used to be better than TV, but with its reliance on formulaic movie franchises the quality has went down. Cable and streaming series are very good like Succession, Reservation Dogs, Queen Charlotte, Roots (original), All in the Family, early seasons of Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Marty was great and lessons from Twilight Zone.

TV allows the characters to develop and story to slowly unfold. Succession was an excellent example of this. Ditto Queen Charlotte which is also beautiful to watch (costumes, architecture, landscapes). Original Roots, Shogun and Thorn Birds were very emotional.

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Every film you've listed as an example of art is also a commercial product. The overwhelming majority of films are -- because they cost money to make and investors generally want to make their money back or preferably turn a profit.

There are certainly films that are less commercial than others. They're usually the less expensive ones, because they don't need to appeal to as many people to break even. Or the ones that come from countries with heavily state-subsidised film industries -- such as France. There's less pressure on individual French films to turn a profit because France's model treats them more as cultural products than commercial ones. But there's still an element of commercialism involved, because the industry as a whole needs to be successful.

That said, I'd agree with you that television is a lesser art than film, because it's more controlled by advertisers. But I don't think it's as simple as TV = commercial and cinema = art. I think the relationship between artistic expression and commerciality is complex and often fraught in both mediums.

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You can say whatever you like, doesn't make it true, especially if the reasoning is because it makes money or is made with the intention of making money.

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Yup.

There are no ADs in the middle of movies.

(product placement is what it is, but not STOP WATCH THIS AD action)

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I thought The Beverly Hillbillies was art. Esp. the music. But also the acting, characters, sets, plots, the silly wit of it all - eating off the pool table, calling the pool the cee-ment pond, eating possum stew, Ellie May getting dolled up, Jethro aspiring to be a brain doctor, or a double-nought agent, greedy Mr. Drysdale, awkward Ms. Jane, the whole dang crew.

Same w/ Green Acres, The Andy Griffith Show, Sanford & Son, Cheers, Seinfeld, Curb, etc. - all of it art.

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Just my opinion but Cable TV has been besting film for a couple of decades now.

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Disagree.

Also it seems like you’re referring to “TV” in quite an archaic way, where you would consume what is fed to you on broadcast networks. Streaming has changed the game completely.

To take a random actor as an example, if you look at Nicole Kidman and compare the “raw emotion” present in her feature film Bewtiched to that of her limited series Big Little Lies, I think everyone can agree the latter far surpasses the nose-twitching nonsense of the former.

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